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        04-02-2009, 05:16 PM

    This is totally amazing!

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        04-02-2009, 05:35 PM
    Blegh. I really dislike this guy
        04-02-2009, 05:42 PM
    That is really neat!
        04-02-2009, 05:42 PM
    Why don't you like him? I have never even heard of him...
        04-02-2009, 06:03 PM
    I've heard of him a lot. Looked into his school, etc. I just don't like a lot of his ideas. He doesn't really condone riding the horse, says bits are evil, saddles are evil, etc. I don't like a lot of the things he does to show trust (IE Sitting on a horses stomache while they are on their back with hooves in the air) because a lot of people, I find, who are really interested in natural things are beginners with good intentions but a huge ability to get hurt.

    Throughout reading and trying to learn about him and other bridleless riders, I saw that he seemed to deem "normal" riders as ignorant and abusive. He has some videos up about bits or "metal" that are quite frankly a bunch of riders with heavy hands and short tempers. Horse refuses jump, rider yanks on the horses mouth and goes after him with a crop, bits are suddenly bad.

    Some things I pulled from his website I don't agree with:

    39] What are the duties of a School member?

    Stop riding for at least a year to let the back of your horse recover and to work on a new relationship with your horse. Study the horses’ anatomy, soul and nature. Educate people about the horse, and make them attend on the horses that walk in sport.

    Greetz Chantal James

    Yeah, giving a horse a break is good...but I think this is kind of excessive in the same way I don't like other NH riders who focus only on groundwork

    38] What is forbidden for School members?

    To participate in any eventing or sport activity. Don’t practice NHE and train another horse for the meanings of sport.

    [37] Can I practice NHE with my own horse and ride the another?

    It wouldn’t be fair and true to NHE, would it? If you know how much damage riding causes, how are you still able to ride with a clean conscience? Even if it’s another horse, ask yourself are you fair and a horse worth? Why do you ride? For you or the horse?

    [33] Why are we against sport and pleasure riding, eventing, etc.?

    It’s disrespectful and disgusting, almost perverted. Sport dressage, horses that stand all day long in a box and are only taken out when they get ridden. And then they need to walk perfectly and if they make a wrong step they get punished. Forced collection, broken horses with red eyes and dead looks in their eyes. Mouth full of foam and wide open, trying to save the tongue from the silent torture called bit. Used for communication and aid, for the horse only a pain.

    For more information please see this link:

    The difference of Nevzorov Haute Ecole from other schools and ways of horsemanship

    You can find more info on his FAQ (Where this is pulled from) from his webpage.

    I'm not trying to start a debate or anything so sorry if I come off as rude, I just really don't agree with this guy's ideas, don't think the horses are as happy, collected, or athletic, as he puts on.

    I think people that have a lot of good intentions (don't abuse your horse, try and bond, etc) will be misinformed by his ideals and be so worried about being friends, not hurting the horse, etc that they don't gain any horsemanship skills.

    He also is a huge supporter of Dr. Strasser (sp) which I don't agree with but that's a drop in the bucket of my reasons. Read the FAQ is all I can say.
        04-02-2009, 06:15 PM
    Also, in the second video it asks to stop the horses getting "hurt" from then bits and then all of a sudden throws in a skinny horse? Lol that was a little strange.

    Another thing, he shows the steeple chasing. How does the bits effect them falling and causing a dog pile? Usually those horses just fall into the ditches and such. Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that he can do those things with his horses, it's just I don't understand his idea of promoting his school/methods.
        04-02-2009, 06:18 PM
    Also, not every high level dressage/eventing/show jumping etc. horse is going to spend 23 hours of its day in a stall. I feel like he's kind of stereotyping in a way, and saying "IF YOU DON'T DO IT THIS WAY, YOUR WRONG!"

    I've always thought some horses just couldn't mentally handle some training methods, what happens if he gets a horse in his school that just needs a stronger hand/bit (whatever you want to call it lol)?
        04-02-2009, 06:27 PM
    I think he uses examples of extremes in poor horsemanship and applies them to everyone which I guess offends me and questions his credibility.
        04-02-2009, 09:02 PM
    I 100% completely agree with you guys. But I was just showing it to show how good his relationship with his horse is:)
    And he is saying that it is bad to use any metal bit or whatever in a horses mouth, then you see him doing dressage with a big fancy all done-up bit, and the horses mouth is foaming. Mabey he should take his own advice!
        04-02-2009, 09:17 PM
    Yeah, I know lol.

    I thought some of the horses in those videos looked pissed and I thought the airs above ground type stuff was sloppy.
    I guess it's cool it's halter/bridleless though lol

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