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    04-03-2012, 06:49 PM
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From the Horror Files of Cinny....

Okay, I wasn't going to post them, but here are the vids from Shaggy show in the order that we did our tests. As the day went on, he tired out and did better, but I still have the feeling he just HATES Dressage.

What do you guys think? Should I try a little longer with him, or is it time to let him out of the whole Dressage gig?

Training Level 3 (yes it was our first test of the day)

Intro B

Intro C

Training 2
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    04-03-2012, 07:05 PM
I think he looks happy enough, tail in the air. I've been studying USET photos and videos and watching a LOT of Intl. Dressage riders. Their horses have this super steady head set. You horse seems to be playing with the bit and throwing his head up a lot. IMO, if you fix that, everything else will improve. Don't give up! He's got the build for Dressage. I understand the 3rd level is a b...., I mean, a female dog. That enough to discourage anyone.
    04-03-2012, 07:21 PM
He just looks super ticked off by your hands. I know this is a show, but I don't see any form of give and release. Both of you are simply bracing against each other, hoping the other one will give up first. The horse is not moving out, nor is he even collecting. You have to get some more feel with your hands first, and work on not getting into a tug-of-war match. Reward every little try, even the smallest of dips. Release fully. I know in the show ring you have to have contact, but at home you are allowed to give him more space to breathe.

Personally, I think he needs to learn a great deal of lateral flexing. I'm a pleasure trainer, so my horses have to hold their headset and collection without touching the reins. However, I get them so soft and supple through flexing and collecting that if I decide I want to hold the reins with contact, they carry on and do it. If they have a problem with full contact, I either put them in a circle and lift up the inside, I'll back them up until their head is down, or I'll flex them side to side through a particular gait until they get happy with a straight head.
    04-03-2012, 10:59 PM
Green Broke
Than you, although I didn't really ask for a critique, just showing my horse’s behavior and trying to figure out if I should really retire him from Dressage.

This isn't a behavior he has only with me, this is how he behaves with anyone who really tries to get him on the bit and give him any type of rein contact. He has done this with trainers on him,he did this with someone who is now traveling the national eventing circuit,he did this with a girl who successfully shows second level. He hates any kind of rein contact, not just mine.

On top of this, if you aren't constant on holding him in,he will take full advantage and the next thing you know, you are in a hand gallop.

There is just more going on than what is in the videos of the test.
    04-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Then, from what you are saying, I do not think this horse is ready to be a show Dressage horse. I think you should take him home and train him up to what makes the both of you happy, and then maybe down the road when he has more miles on him, think about it then. Otherwise I would just focus on the horse and not Dressage or showing.

Also, I'm sorry I critiqued. I saw "What do you guys think?" as an opportunity to express that he could make a nice dressage horse with some flaws sorted out. Hope everything works out well :)
    04-03-2012, 11:58 PM
I just see an extremely disobedient horse. Whether this is because of pain or training is up to you to determine. Overall I don't think he is the right horse for you to learn Dressage on. A more suitable horse would at least be amiable to the idea of not being a total butt about the contact and would ideally have prior training. I would like to think a more experienced rider/trainer (ie more experienced than those who have been on him before) riding him for a while might get him thinking about being a bit more cooperative.
Your riding has improved since I last saw you as well.

Good luck!
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    04-04-2012, 12:00 AM
He looks gorgeous all spiffed up. He did not look happy at all during those rides, that constant head shaking gives me a headache. I hate to say this, but you need a different horse if you want to continue on in your dressage pursuits.
    04-04-2012, 12:00 AM
CIN have you had his back checked for soreness? That head tossing looks like he's hurting somewhere he only really does it at the trot a little at the canter. Maybe he's just a bit sore either in his back or his neck. Maybe have a chiropractor work on him then see how he does.
I know you said you were not looking for a critic. Just a thought as to maybe more is going on then him just not liking dressage.
    04-04-2012, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TimberRidgeRanch    
CIN have you had his back checked for soreness? That head tossing looks like he's hurting somewhere he only really does it at the trot a little at the canter. Maybe he's just a bit sore either in his back or his neck. Maybe have a chiropractor work on him then see how he does.
I know you said you were not looking for a critic. Just a thought as to maybe more is going on then him just not liking dressage.
Over the past two years he has been poked, prodded stretched and tested by various professionals including chiros, vets,etc. He does have sporatic sacroilliac stiffness and he ihas had prior issues with back sensitivity leading to a lot of saddle firings etc. Both things have been well under control for a while by our vet.

Thank you for suggesting to check those things,I know a lot of people don't look there when their horse is a butt head.
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    04-04-2012, 11:27 AM
After watching the videos and reading your posts, personally, I think it's time to move on. He's not the one. I am sorry to say that.

I believe that life is too short and we hang on to things trying to make it fit. Make yourself happy. There's not a fit with him. Chalk it up to learning the beginnings of basic dressage and gaining lots of experience in working with your next dressage horse.

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