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post #31 of 128 Old 04-15-2009, 01:36 AM
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Yikes, I highly recommend that you do what the people here are asking you to do. I had a friend who had a horse flip over on top of her because she didn't do basic flat work building before she started full fledged running barrels. She was 17 and broke her pelvis bone in two.... not fun.
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post #32 of 128 Old 04-15-2009, 05:56 AM
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dont put yourself down, your not a good for nothing rider x
but i do see some bad habits forming from both you and your horse :(
you seem to have good balance but you dont seem to be using it correctly :s
your horse seems brilliant but a little green and the video shows him tense and unhappy and so i advice you start back with the basics. you dont want him to hate doing barrels, i can see him stressing out even before you start :( id get him retrained, or do it yourself you seem like a good rider (if your unsure about some things there are plenty of good riding books out there!).
also you could get lessons on clippy, that way you'd improve together!
everyones given you good advice so i suggest you do what you can and maybe put up a video in a few months showing us how you both have improoved!!!
remember: start comepletely with the basics
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Dont worry everyone i AM taking your advice and getting Clippy retrained and getting lessons. Do you guys think that he will still know the barrle pattern?
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I think a horse shouldn't know any pattern. The rider should be in control of the horse but hey... that is personal opinion. Whenever I see a horse that knows a pattern it takes advantage of it and won't listen to the rider, that is when they start to knock down barrels and run vverrrrryyy wide around the turn.
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post #35 of 128 Old 04-15-2009, 04:12 PM
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I think Clippy would benefit greatly from a french link snaffle like someone else has already said. I had a horse who was highly strung because people used way too big bits on her that she didn't need and when i put her in the KK french link training snaffle, she was great! I'm sure with some training and the right tack that Clippy will be an all around happy horse and you will be a happy rider! :)

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Redroan I have to respectfully disagree. Just because a horse knows the pattern does not mean that the rider does not have control. Think about the horses that run at the NFR, they defiantly know the pattern, but are still listening to what their riders are telling them. There is a large difference between a horse that knows that pattern and knows their job vs. a sour horse that has had poor training and is overworked. Not trying to be rude, that is just my opinion.

Morganshow- I am sure your horse will remember the pattern, but I would recommend that after you get him some proper training that you take things very slow. If you slow down and take your time with the basics you will find that when it does come time to really run the pattern that your runs will be more clean.
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post #37 of 128 Old 04-15-2009, 04:32 PM
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horses should know the pattern the horse i lessed champ knew the patterns and he did not go wide of to tight horses rember things after they do them
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A barrel horse will know the pattern. Knowing the pattern and anticipating/not paying attention to your cues are two different things.

However, once you got a solid foundation down with him ( able to go on a loose rein with a snaffle, flex laterally and vertically, move his hind end and fore end indepenently, smooth transistions, good stop and back, etc in a snaffle) I would want to start him on barrels, at least at first, as if he hadn't been on them before. Start at the walk. Don't let him get hot like he was in that video. A barrel horse should LOVE to run, but a barrel horse should not get so hot that they put you in danger and ignore your cues.

When he is finally at the point where he is ready for barrels, go slow. Keep him calm and praise for being calm. Really perfect your pockets, rating, and turns. Dont run the pattern everytime you ride either. Most of your work is going to be dry work with no barrels. Also, there are plenty of exercises to use with barrels set up to keep him bending that also keep his mind fresh while helping your turns.

Think of it as a fresh start so that you can get the best trained horse to really smoke your competition :)
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post #39 of 128 Old 04-15-2009, 06:00 PM Thread Starter
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Do you guys think that i could go to the gymkhana show here in MI on May 9th? OR not?
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Well obviously i have a good for nothing horse, and i am a good for nothing rider. But thank you all for your input and i am serioulsy going to send him off to a trainer. period.
There is a right way to offer constructive criticms and there is a wrong way. I've ready through the first few pages of this thread and I beleive alot of people were harsh and hurtful in the way they typed their critiques.

People, please try to remember that we were all beginners at one time or another and not all of us had the great trainers and were surrounded by experienced people that could offer immediate advice and we didn't all have the perfect SAFE horse the first time around. And please remember that this forum is not only here "for the horse". We are here "for the rider" as well.


I was in your shoes once. My first horse, Pistol reared and bucked and bolted and I rode w/ my reigns very tight, he actually used my reign contact as a 3rd leg in the front, he balanced off my preasure and that was wrong. And lucky me, I got the same advice you are getting. And I walked away with the same feeling you are walking away with. "I SUCK AND MY HORSE IS GARBAGE". Well, it took a lot of years but I figured it out and my horse won some year end championships at local shows. He also has been in more parades and performances then I can count.

What I'm trying to say is, yes, your horse is unbalanced right now, you are working too hard to keep him under control, he's popping rears which will become very dangerous if you do not fix it immediately. You have a few balance issues but you are not a horrible rider and you are doing a great job working with him. You need to skip through the "ugliness" and pick out the advice that is offered because there is good advice.

My suggestion is drop the speed events for now. Go back to the basics. Work on small circles, get off the rail and use a small small portion of the ring. do tons and tons of directional changes. work on your sitting trot and your halts. tons of halts and backs. trot for just a few lenghts and halt then back. don't canter for a while and when you do, just canter about 5 strides and come back to a trot or walk. Get him listening to you and get him collected. Get him working on a looser reign. You are looking at a few months worth of work.

But please, don't let this get you down. You are doing great. and you arent' horrible and neither is your horse.

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