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        11-08-2013, 01:07 PM
      #11
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    Watch videos of expert horsemen cantering, emulate that.
         
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        11-08-2013, 01:08 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    The thing I notice is that you are very busy. Your torso moves back and forth a lot (that's probably not the right way to word it... xD), your hands are too high and too animated. I can't really see what's going on with your legs...

    Basically, relax a bit, lower your hands, go with the motion of the horse... These things will all come as you ride/lesson more.

    Very cute horse, and you definitely have potential <3
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        11-08-2013, 01:14 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Spending some time perfecting the sitting trot (being able to maintain a soft seat through it by working your body instead of just sitting there banging away into the saddle) can help you understand the fluidity that you need to maintain a stable seat at the canter. That worked for me, anyways.

    In the end, I keep coming back to "practice practice, practice" in conjunction with a good coach that can give you good feedback and pointers AS you're cantering. You can think about it all you want, but I always looked at it like learning to ride a bike - you can think about it, read about it, try to practice it in your mind...but in the end there's no substitute for actually doing it.
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        11-08-2013, 01:44 PM
      #14
    Trained
    A lot depends on what style of riding you are doing. For a forward seat, it is OK to lean forward. In fact, you OUGHT to lean forward. With a forward seat, you also don't want to absorb the motion in your lower back, since you are leaning forward already.



    A dressage seat attempts to absorb the motion in the small of the back:



    A forward seat does not:



    From the saddle, I'm assuming you want a forward seat, and for that you should lean forward. [Note: if you are training for dressage, ignore this post entirely!] I also think you should practice cantering in a half-seat, because it is 1) easy on you, 2) easy on the horse, 3) stable, and 4) allows you to feel the horse's motion and slowly sink in and adapt to it.

    From an old thread:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maura    
    Riding the canter correctly and well in a full seat is difficult, and many more riders do it badly than do it well. As Allison stated above, it requires a degree of abdominal fitness, as well as correct position, relaxation and a good understanding of gait mechanics and how the horse's back moves. That's out of reach for a lot of recreational riders. I would much rather see an elementary or intermediate rider cantering in half seat, allowing the horse to move freely, than someone attempting and failing a full following seat and punishing the horse's back in the process.

    There is nothing inherently insecure about riding the canter in half-seat or two point as long as the rider is in balance.
    Riding the canter in half seat

    Remember - the horse's back barely moves at the withers. At the loin, it moves a LOT while cantering. If your weight is in your thighs at the wither, and your rump barely touching the seat, there is almost no motion to 'absorb'.

    I strongly recommend:

    Http://www.amazon.com/Riding-Schooling-Horses-Harry-Chamberlin/dp/1163173290/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=

    It is an older approach to riding a forward seat, but it has the clearest and easiest to follow descriptions I've ever seen. The text in the first picture comes from it.
         
        11-08-2013, 02:42 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zexious    
    The thing I notice is that you are very busy. Your torso moves back and forth a lot (that's probably not the right way to word it... xD), your hands are too high and too animated. I can't really see what's going on with your legs...

    Basically, relax a bit, lower your hands, go with the motion of the horse... These things will all come as you ride/lesson more.

    Very cute horse, and you definitely have potential <3
    Yeah.. in my head it was like "SHORTER REINS, LEGS, HANDS, HIPS, AGHHHHH"

    Thank you! Means a lot, even though I look like a goon right now hahah
         
        11-08-2013, 02:45 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    A lot depends on what style of riding you are doing. For a forward seat, it is OK to lean forward. In fact, you OUGHT to lean forward. With a forward seat, you also don't want to absorb the motion in your lower back, since you are leaning forward already.



    A dressage seat attempts to absorb the motion in the small of the back:



    A forward seat does not:



    From the saddle, I'm assuming you want a forward seat, and for that you should lean forward. [Note: if you are training for dressage, ignore this post entirely!] I also think you should practice cantering in a half-seat, because it is 1) easy on you, 2) easy on the horse, 3) stable, and 4) allows you to feel the horse's motion and slowly sink in and adapt to it.

    From an old thread:



    Riding the canter in half seat

    Remember - the horse's back barely moves at the withers. At the loin, it moves a LOT while cantering. If your weight is in your thighs at the wither, and your rump barely touching the seat, there is almost no motion to 'absorb'.

    I strongly recommend:

    Riding And Schooling Horses: Harry D. Chamberlin, John Cudahy, Edwin M. Sumner: 9781163173299: Amazon.com: Books


    It is an older approach to riding a forward seat, but it has the clearest and easiest to follow descriptions I've ever seen. The text in the first picture comes from it.

    I'm not training for dressage haha,
    Okay so I should try for half seat? I know it's easier in terms of less movement to absorb, however I thought people never liked it as it caused the rider to sort of, 'avoid the problem rather than fix it'.
    But now that I've read the other thread, I can sort of slowly "sink" into the motion after a while.

    Will definitely try this next week!
         
        11-08-2013, 03:13 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    ^I would not suggest going into a half seat during a lesson unless your trainer instructs you to do so. They know best, and you are paying for their time <3
         
        11-08-2013, 03:28 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zexious    
    ^I would not suggest going into a half seat during a lesson unless your trainer instructs you to do so. They know best, and you are paying for their time <3
    By that rationale, no one taking lessons should ever ask for advice on HF.

    If you don't have the feel for the rhythm of the horse, then a half-seat is a good way to pick up the balance and rhythm without punishing the horse's back. It builds confidence in both the horse and rider. It is no more an attempt to avoid the problem than posting is an attempt to avoid sitting a big trot. It is also just a good technique for riding a canter, since it frees the horse's back up more than a following seat does.

    If she talks about it with her instructor and the instructor says, "Hell no!", then she is probably stuck with doing it in whatever manner the instructor insists on using. But from my personal experience, and apparently from the vastly greater experience of maura, it is a good option to have in your bag of tricks.
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        11-08-2013, 11:04 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    I'm no expert at this at all, but just breathe more. Don't be so tense. Every time you find yourself tensing up, take slow, deep breaths and just relax a little more. It will be more comfortable for you and the horse and you won't be gripping so much.

    Also try lowering your hands and keeping them still - they're quite shaky :)

    As for exercises, practise!
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        11-11-2013, 12:03 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Yeah, I sort of knew my hands were too all over the place, so that's a definite thing to work on.

    Thank you for everyone's input. I'm going for a lesson tomorrow, and I'll just see how it goes :)
         

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