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        10-21-2010, 10:45 PM
    I agree with kevin, but since its here I might as well add my two cents.... all she's doing is making that horse not lead correctly. I was taught that a horse should be shoulder to shoulder with you, not behind you. If the horse is behind you, they could spook and run you over.
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        10-21-2010, 11:05 PM
    Green Broke
    I have zero problem with the method. Honestly, the Parelli bashing gets a little old. It's the Parelli's themselves I dislike because somehow they can justify using a gum line twitch or popping a horse with a metal clip, but I'm the devil if I wallop my horse for trying to kick me.

    It's the hypocrisy that's annoying moreso then the actual method. I've seen a lot worse and I've seen a lot better - not much to get excited about though.
        10-21-2010, 11:23 PM
    While not the way I personally teach a horse to respect my space, it DOES work, and that horse was not afraid at all...jmho. And I agree with who ever mentioned that they are giving a softer cue, then a 'louder' one, and finally the 'loudest' one (horse running into elbow). That horse was obviously VERY intent on everything around him, and was not paying attention to his handler...a horse that is attentive and respectful is not going to be whipping his head around the second he stops, to pay attention to what ever is going on around him...he needs to focus on his handler, and that is what they are trying to achieve...I saw a much more attentive respectful horse by the end of the that was actually THINKING, instead of reacting.

    Oh the one thing that DID make me a bit mad, was that the horse's halter was definitely NOT adjusted that could cause some problems if the horse decided to really yank and pull away from the handler. Just one of my pet peeves...hate seeing tack that's not properly fitted, especially something as simple as a halter!!!
        10-21-2010, 11:29 PM
    True true macabre and mom2pride
        10-22-2010, 11:42 PM
    I would tend to agree with those who just think this is the various stages to get the horse to listen to you. If a mild ask does not work you use a stronger one.

    While your own horse may back up and do what you want, how long did it take you to get to that point with your horse? If you suddenly have a new horse, that's not listening to you, what are you going to do? Perhaps one that rears while hand walking, tried to bite you, or runs you into fences. I like keeping the horse next to my shoulder, as I've been bitten on the back by our horse, this is how they try and show who's boss, you'll see them do this with other horses to establish a pecking order. But having the horse is at that distance may not be such a bad idea. Spooking and running you down was mentioned. Most horses actually try and avoid hurting their handlers unless they're just plain mean. Having a horse on a long lead gives you time to get out of the way. I was stepped on several time yesterday, while taking a horse for a stroll down a residential street as the rain made the trail to dangerous. Everytime the horse spooked, I got stepped on, because I was too close. Horses are very fast and extreamly strong, as I'm sure you all know. I doubt most of you could actually push a 1200 pound animal away from your if it panicked. The long lead line and the snapping of the lead gives you a margin of safety and a way to control the horse without endangering yourself.
        10-22-2010, 11:56 PM
    Originally Posted by ChevyPrincess    
    Haha!!! Oh my gosh, really?

    Okay, so, the horse walks calmly behind her, and she starts flapping her armpit like she is trying to do the chicken dance? LOL!!! I wonder if she knows how idiotic it looks? If I saw someone doing that in real life, I would probably fall to my knees laughing.
    It may look a little silly but it looks far more silly to have a horse pushing a person around or running circles around him. If you let a horse walk shoulder to shoulder with you and something spooks it from the other side you WILL get stepped on. I make my horses lead behind me so that if something spooks them they will jump past me instead of on me.
        10-23-2010, 12:08 AM
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    It may look a little silly but it looks far more silly to have a horse pushing a person around or running circles around him. If you let a horse walk shoulder to shoulder with you and something spooks it from the other side you WILL get stepped on. I make my horses lead behind me so that if something spooks them they will jump past me instead of on me.
    Agreed...I won't let a horse walk 'next' to me until I know he respects my space; even so my current horse prefers to walk slightly behind me...she's just more respectful of my space than others who "have" to be right at your side.
        10-23-2010, 12:39 AM
    It's really not about respect. If a horse is walking at your shoulder and you are holding the lead rope at the snap the horse has NO CHOICE but to step on you if it spooks and we all know from experience that any horse can spook.
        10-23-2010, 12:46 AM
    I never hold the snap anyway...Lol! And that's the first thing I tell people when I am teaching them to lead a horse DON'T hold the snap!! Why? Because if the horse get's clausterphobic, or spooks, geuss where he has to go??? Only one way; on top of you! But the holding the snap or halter is the 'normal' reaction of most people, because you would feel like you have more control over the animal...much like with dogs, and people grasping the collar for dear "feel" more in control, when in reality you are not.

    I still teach a horse to walk next to me, as I do like to occasionally show, but for the most part, I prefer if they aren't "right there" all the time.
        10-23-2010, 02:46 AM
    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    Even under these conditions it is not what any respected trainer would do to get a horse to back up.

    My boy backs up by me simply walking towards him and saying "back".
    So do the Parelli-trained horses. Watch videos of the Yo-Yo game. They learn to back up unless they're invited forward. I'm sure it took some amount of training before your horse got to that point, though? I don't think any horse will just automatically know what "back" means and associate it with the action unless they are taught...

    Think of the alternatives Linda has. She can let the horse run over her (or the owner), or she can demand her space. If she is flapping the rope and using those big movements to get the horse's attention (which seems silly and cruel, but makes sense), she is teaching the horse that it is uncomfortable for it to be in her space and running her over. Some things during the video I didn't agree with... but really, it's not outlandish I don't think.

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