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post #11 of 31 Old 04-24-2010, 01:11 PM
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Exactly. Finishing the pattern does not in the slightest way indicate a "love" for the job. That's like saying a showjumper must hate show jumping because he doesn't jump the course when his rider falls off. A horse that finishes a barrel pattern has it SO ingrained into his head, he MUST do that, or bad things will happen to him. Bringing human emotion into it is silly, horses do not think like we do.

As for the reining horse, I'm sorry, but that's just as silly. That's like saying if he had a rider on him, he wouldn't do it if he didn't like it. It's called training. It has nothing to do with human emotion - you shouldn't have to be touching or riding your horse to make him/her do certain things.

Show me the video where the rider falls off and the horse immediately stops and waits so as to avoid causing any further injury to his rider due to his good training and I will be FAR more impressed.

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post #12 of 31 Old 04-24-2010, 02:18 PM
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Give me a horse like the one at 3:00 any day. VV

When I get off (whether I fall or step off) I want my horse to stop right there. To me, that is incredibly dangerous for a horse to keep running when you fall off cause what if your foot is stuck in the stirrup?

Anyway, back to the OP. I love the video of the cutting horse. Any cutting horse that loves his job is a good one and they have a natural instinct to do it. The horse that is spinning, even if it was a trained trick, is still very entertaining cause it's not something that you see very often.

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post #13 of 31 Old 04-24-2010, 02:30 PM
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Niiiiice smrobs, I fully agree. We put our horses through "fall training", because I want them to halt IMMEDIATELY if someone even begins to fall. Haha, my old gelding was so well trained, you couldn't do "around-the-world" at a walk because the minute he felt your leg swing over, he'd immediately stop and not even threat of death would make him move again. He was a horse trained specifically for children, so this was a necessary goal. Obviously on my horses now, I want them to do as I ask, when I ask, but when I eat dirt, they better be stopped!

It saved my life on Playboy - we slipped on icy ground once, and he went down hard, crushing my metal English stirrup around my foot. When he jumped to his feet, I was dangling like a Christmas ornament, and screaming for help. It took a good 5-10 minutes for my sister to hear me and come rescue me. Playboy did not move an inch, despite the extreme pain to his side (he was tender for weeks).

My stomach churns to this day when I think of how that might have turned out.

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post #14 of 31 Old 04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
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I think the point of the thread was to show that some horses do like their jobs because they'll do them even without a rider. I've seen jumpers do this kind of thing too...
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post #15 of 31 Old 04-24-2010, 08:49 PM
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I think the point of the thread was to show that some horses do like their jobs because they'll do them even without a rider. I've seen jumpers do this kind of thing too...
And we're just saying it's not necessarily true. Most horses will do their job because they've been drilled through it so many times, it's all they know. I don't label animals with human emotion. It's like believeing your horse trots up to you in the pasture because he loves you - I'm sure he likes you ok enough, but mostly he knows hanging around you means food. Animals don't think in quite as complex terms as love and hate. They think in terms of reason and ration - what action is most likely to accomplish their own personal goals for survival and a comfortable existance.

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post #16 of 31 Old 04-24-2010, 11:02 PM Thread Starter
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Man some of you guys can be such a buzz kill. You guys make a big huge deal over everything. Then you attack someone for speaking up for themselves. @@

Clearly the horses were not FORCED to finish the courses, cut the cattle or spin. That was the whole point of my thread. All you had to do was ignore it. I know the horses have run the pattern enough to know that is what they are supposed to do. I know that a well trained horse would stop when the rider falls off. BUT I didn't put that in my original post. I didn't want an opinion on that! I wasn't saying look how WELL TRAINED THESE HORSES ARE!
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post #17 of 31 Old 04-25-2010, 04:21 AM
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Don't post if you don't want opinions. The world is not a place where everyone can oooh and aaaah over you because you're so perfect. It's a place where everyone has a mind and a voice. I have just as much right to my opinion as you do to yours.

Kindly showed me exactly where I attacked someone. We were having a discussion - something typically intelligent people are able to do without freaking out.

It's cute how you're only mad because I essentially pointed out that a video you thought was so awesome was very likely a video of a horse that got beat on a regular basis to the point where he's a neurotic mess and would trample a small child in his effort to finish the course. Or do you rather just not think about those things in your sunshine world of lollipops?



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post #18 of 31 Old 04-25-2010, 04:36 AM
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here is one of my fave. 'riderless' videos to brighten up the thread

Keep your feet on the ground when your head's in the clouds.
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post #19 of 31 Old 04-25-2010, 04:24 PM
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That horse almost caught a leg on that fence. I was more horrified than anything else. Granted, that's quite a feat, but not something I would want my horse doing ever.

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post #20 of 31 Old 04-25-2010, 08:19 PM
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It's cute how you're only mad because I essentially pointed out that a video you thought was so awesome was very likely a video of a horse that got beat on a regular basis to the point where he's a neurotic mess and would trample a small child in his effort to finish the course.
So you're saying the horse didn't notice that the rider had fallen off? What is your basis for believing that?

Your theory that the horse finished the pattern because it's been beaten into him is just as unprovable as any other. That certainly wasn't the case with the jumper I mentioned before. Nobody can know what a horse really thinks - It is common sense that we are talking about beliefs here, not facts. I think you're taking things out of context.

But while we're on the subject, if you believe that horses only listen to people out of fear or the promise of food, how do you justify riding? Do you just not care that your horse might be miserable?
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