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post #21 of 39 Old 02-11-2010, 08:49 AM
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Those were really eye opening videos Its just sick how people can deny that its going on right in front of them. Those ladies that brought in those cameras were really brave, since they were told that they shouldnt be there with them in the first place due to the danger. I thought that one of the trainer's comments was "to have fun" at these kinda shows...whats the fun if you are going to be threatened or perhaps killed over reporting animal cruelty?

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post #22 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 06:16 AM
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Can't say that gait does anything for me, but each to their own.

As for the TWH/ASB's debate, well this could converge into EVERY breed and EVERY discipline out there. In dressage we have the idiots who jam their horses' chins to their chests for the whole ride in what is called 'rolkur'. There is always going to be the people out there who ruin the reputation for a sport/breed for everyone else participating because of their attempt to shortcut the training.
In each and every discipline people will try to take shortcuts, when in the end you are not going to achieve the ultimate goal in each discipline unless you train slowly and correctly, not matter how many shortcuts you may take.

Unfortunately in seems to in most, if not all, equestrian disciplines, the more spectacular horses are often rewarded higher than the less spectacular but far more correct, comfortable and happy horses. This is way way our sports are going and so many are being brainwashed into thinking the spectacular way is the right way, it just is not!
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post #23 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 04:34 PM
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In each and every discipline people will try to take shortcuts, when in the end you are not going to achieve the ultimate goal in each discipline unless you train slowly and correctly, not matter how many shortcuts you may take.

Unfortunately it seems to in most, if not all, equestrian disciplines, the more spectacular horses are often rewarded higher than the less spectacular but far more correct, comfortable and happy horses. This is way way our sports are going and so many are being brainwashed into thinking the spectacular way is the right way, it just is not!
Right! It's all about politics. What horse is showier, which rider has made a better name for themselves(or do they ride at a well established barn), Which horse looks best, even if it is artificial? It's really annoying.

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post #24 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 06:18 PM
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This is horrible and i've heard of it before. Anyone with eyes can see those horses are in pain and that gait is so unnatural looking it doesn't flow like normal gaits. I dont know if anyone else has heard of this, but ive heard of people injecting curry under a horses skin also to make them lift their legs higher. Its all so cruel.

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post #25 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 08:47 PM
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^ It's called mustard ;)

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post #26 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 08:54 PM
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Curry powder and mustard are two different things. While curry does contain mustard seed, it also contains the spices cinnamon, clove, nutmeg, red pepper, black pepper and cumin, all very irritating substances, a veritable cocktail of pain and one I have no doubt is used.

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post #27 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 08:57 PM
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^ It's called mustard ;)
really cause i heard straight curry?

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post #28 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 09:18 PM
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I was at the State Fair about four years ago and was walking through the horse barns. The horses were some sort of gaited horses, not sure what breed but the people had their tails hitched up to some contraption across their back and they were apply some sort of paste under the horses tails. Don't know what it was, didn't stay around long enough to ask, but the horses were stomping in place - they sure didn't seem to be comfortable with whatever was going on back there.

Watched the showing, same horses come out with their tails sky high like some 80s girl with the straight up in the air bangs. Made me sick.

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post #29 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 10:25 PM
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I was at the State Fair about four years ago and was walking through the horse barns. The horses were some sort of gaited horses, not sure what breed but the people had their tails hitched up to some contraption across their back and they were apply some sort of paste under the horses tails. Don't know what it was, didn't stay around long enough to ask, but the horses were stomping in place - they sure didn't seem to be comfortable with whatever was going on back there.

Watched the showing, same horses come out with their tails sky high like some 80s girl with the straight up in the air bangs. Made me sick.
That's called a brace/tail set. I don't really like a brace on the tail, but it's in the rules apparently. However, they don't really hurt if they stretch the tail. Just push the tail as much as it can go up, and when the muscle is loose they put a brace on. Most people put a topical anesthetic on the tail in case. Still looks horrible. My flat shod horse flags her tail out. Not as drastic as those with a brace, but she carries it high. Cute on her actually.

As for the curry or mustard oil under the skin, unfortunately it does happen. But it can still cause blisters and scarring, which means they get caught. Plus it causes heat, and with the new machines they use, the trainer can get suspended. If they enforce the rules......

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post #30 of 39 Old 02-13-2010, 10:30 PM
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I can't believe people would use that stuff under their tail. And it's unfortunate judges weren't checking. Unless back then it wasn't being checked.

The whole tail thing doesn't make sense either. If the horses tail was meant to do that, it would. Some fool came along and decided it looked good, which is doesn't. So many people in the crowd were commenting on how unnatural and bad it looked.

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