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        05-05-2010, 10:56 PM
      #11
    Trained
    ^ Miko was being sarcastic - Comparing the vilification of rodeo riders to a similar idea with jumpers - She doesn't actually think all jumpers are abusive :]
         
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        05-05-2010, 11:04 PM
      #12
    Banned
    I have a lot of problems with the language and rhetoric used in that video, and find it interesting that it's three years old.

    There is probably a case to be made for better treatment of cattle in rodeo events, but this video didn't make it and actually lose credibility with me for it's overblown statements.

    Sarahver, I watched the video twice and couldn't detect anything wrong with the calf until *after* it was released and ran back to the pen; likely the rodeo staff didn't either.

    Finally, while it's certain the the calf was injured, since he was partially weight bearing on the leg, we have only the maker of the video's word that the leg was broken. Should the calf have been examined and given medical attention? Yes, absolutely. Do I believe all the claims of the folks who made that video? Heck, no.
         
        05-05-2010, 11:05 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Sorry my mistake. I took the capitals to mean she was serious. =P Shows how much I know
         
        05-05-2010, 11:11 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    You are right that the clip is certainly made in an influential way and since I am a huge sucker when it comes to seeing animals in pain I guess I am a good candidate to be affected by such a video.

    I really didn't like to see it being run in to the fence though, broken leg later on or not!
         
        05-05-2010, 11:15 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    Wild_spot
    It is hard to see from the video exactly when the leg broke due to the horse being in the way. When the calf was being tied, the injured hind leg was on the ground as the calf lay. If it were not for the words on the screen, I would not have known at this point that the leg had broke. I think It is reasonable to assume that the few cowboys out there may not have known until after the calf was untied and started to run away that the leg was broke. Ok, so grey area.
    Unacceptable, however, that the calf apparently did not receive any vetting asap after the fact.
         
        05-05-2010, 11:18 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Or did he and you didnt see it???
         
        05-05-2010, 11:23 PM
      #17
    Banned
    It's that whole "you can't hear a person's tone or inflection in an internet post" thing.

    Plus, some of us are familiar with MM's posting style.

    If you've ever worked around cattle, you'd be inclined to discount the whole "run into the fence" thing. That calf might have behaved in exactly the same way without the horse close on this heels, the holding pen with his buddies was at the same end of the arena. Newly penned cattle will run into and run up the fence like that without any extra pressure. The horse and rider were that close because, well, it's a whole lot easier to rope from close in.

    That said, I'm not always wild with the way rodeo stock is treated, particularly the way calves are thrown and tied. At the end of the local rodeos, the calves get smart, and by the end of the day they practically lay down and hold three legs up when they feel the rope. A cowboy acquaintence of mine refers to it as "the cattle are soft"

    Sarhvr, Don't feel bad. They make videos like that because playing on people's emotions in that way is effective. They wouldn't do it if it didn't work.
         
        05-05-2010, 11:36 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
    or did he and you didnt see it???
    Honeysuga

    Absolutely not denying that the leg was injured during the rope and tie, was just trying to clarify for wildspot (who cannot view the video at this time) that (to me anyway) it wasn't obvious that the calf was injured until it got up.
    Is that what you were asking?
         
        05-05-2010, 11:40 PM
      #19
    Trained
    First, that was not a PRCA rodeo. I doubt it was a rodeo at all, it looked like someones practice pen. Most rodeos have tarps or banners at the end of the arena to prevent cattle from trying to jump through the fence. This is not only for the animals welfare but for economic reasons (roping calves are expensive). The calf was roped around the neck but the calf ran through it and it caught on the hind legs. One of them broke and the roper was trying to get enough slack to set the calf free. His horse was working like it should and was trying to keep the rope tight. The calf was probably euthanized as soon as there were not as many eyes around so it didn't end up on youtube.
         
        05-05-2010, 11:42 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Once again, I can't see the video, so i'm just going on what is written.

    Quote:
    Finally, while it's certain the the calf was injured, since he was partially weight bearing on the leg, we have only the maker of the video's word that the leg was broken. Should the calf have been examined and given medical attention? Yes, absolutely. Do I believe all the claims of the folks who made that video? Heck, no.
    Generally if it is a clean break on a calf or sheep, you can see the leg flopping around - If they are just not weight bearing then it may well have been something less serious.

    Also - It is bl**dy hard to catch a calf on it's feet, even a three legged one - it may have been necessary to get it into the yards out the back to provide proper assistance.
         

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