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11 y/o OTTB for Lease in FL

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    11-02-2009, 12:10 AM
11 y/o OTTB for Lease in FL

We're in the Tampa Bay area, Dover to be exact, and I'm looking to lease out Ice. Just like the title says, he's an 11 year old OTTB, on the track for nine years, and this is really the first time anyone has ridden him without wanting to go super-fast. He loads, ties, stands for vet and farrier, has no problem with clippers, have never seen him spook at anything....the list goes on. I plan on riding him mainly on the trails and probably want to take some lessons at a later date.

I'm really looking for someone who can use him and give him a job. He needs to be ridden every day or at least every other day, and I can't be out there all of the time to do that for him. He's at the perfect age where he can be trained and won't completely lose his head. He definitely needs an intermediate rider, he can be pushy/testy. For 200 a month you can pretty much go out to the barn where he's boarded at whenever, and we split any vet costs he racks up. If you want to shoe him, you'd pay the difference; right now he's barefoot. If you choose to show him, you pay the entry fees and stuff like that.

He is a cribber, and he does have some trust issues, so he will be pushy if he can be. All of his pics are in my profile.
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    11-14-2009, 09:43 PM
Bu-bump. Anyone?
    11-17-2009, 11:06 AM
I think he problem is he's 11, been racing 9 years - meaning he's been raced every year since he was 2 years old.

Your ad doesn't state how long he's been out of racing, so horse could be very bad for a not very good rider - wanting to run on trails, etc. If that's not true you need to add more information about what type of re-training he's had since he came off the track.

Also sound like horse has some (probably minor) ground handling issues. Sorry to say ad reads like you want an experienced rider to help you re-train the horse on the ground and on his back. I could see experienced horse people that currently lack a horse riding him for free and helping you re-train him, but in the current economy having to pay $200+ a month (the + is to cover vet bills but I assume you're paying farrier bills?) it's not worth the time and money for 99% of the experienced riders out there.

I hope this comment helps. I'd re-word the add with more details on how he acts on the trail, in the arena, if he jumps, what type of re-training he's had, etc. otherwise you probably won't get any responses - especially in the Tampa area which isn't far from Ocala where you can buy OTTBs for a dime a dozen.
    12-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Update: He was raced for nine years, and now currently has five months of ongoing training/groundwork. He is respectful, but testy. He's trained to w/t/c on voice cue from the ground, and w/t on cue in the saddle. He needs an intermediate rider, someone who has actually ridden horses before...he takes advantage of nervous/unconfident riders on the ground and in the saddle. He is trained to neck rein, and I plan on starting him on ground poles soon to get him to pick up his feet. When he wants to be though, he is very quick on his feet and has a nice sliding stop/turn around.

He would be perfect for someone who has taken lessons before in Dressage or Hunters and would like something a little bit more permanent than a lesson horse. I have also considered teaching him the barrel pattern. He learns fairly quickly (he learned how to neck rein in a day, and was responding to a hackamore in 15 minutes) and he likes to use his brain...If I had the time to show seriously, or show him at all, I would. He works well in the arena, but he is a little bit of a show off and is distracted when other horses are around...he always wants to do what they're doing. He's not spooky/flighty on trails he's very willing but is interested in everything around him.
    12-08-2009, 03:39 PM
I think he sounds like a great project horse, you sound like you only want what is best for him.
However, I agree with Valentina. He sounds more of a "re-training" horse more than anything else. I personally wouldn't pay to lease him, it would be a waste of my money to technically "train" him when 9/10 times, you get paid for training a horse. I've done a lease with an OTTB that sounds just like your guy. He tries so hard, but I got absolutely no where with him. I wanted to show, and he didn't have the basic training to help me reach my goals. What ended up happening was me wasting my money on a horse that I ended up going now where with. Even though he was a good horse, I had way more bad rides than good and ended up with huge vet bills because he was raced. He broke down and I wasted 9 grand on a horse I had to give back. There is no way I'd do that again.

Since it's mostly more beginner riders looking for a lease (they've moved off of school horses and want something more like their own horse) they need horses that have training on the ground and u/s. You make it sound like he needs a trainer rather than a leaser. And 99% of intermediate/experianced riders will not spend money on a training horse. They want something they can get on and show with. Or at least hack and not have daily battles with the horse.

If you can't afford a trainer to give him some basic manners and training u/s, then I wouldn't ask for a paid lease, but a free lease. This way your horse would still be ridden and you'll have many more interested people if they don't have to pay to train your horse. If your horse was showing, had great manners and not the mindset of a horse that has raced for 9 years, then sure. I'd ask for the paid lease. But since the leaser would have more to offer your horse than your horse would offer the rider, I'd go for a free lease.
I've been there done that (on the other end) with the kind of situation you presenting, and I'm 99% sure the leaser would get screwed if you asked for a paid lease. I resent the person I leased my old horse from, and I ended up fully training thier horse for them, not getting paid for it but paying them for riding thier nutball of a horse. Just my opinion, but I see you asking for someone to better train your horse for you rather than you letting your horse "train" somebody else.
    12-08-2009, 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by blush    
Since it's mostly more beginner riders looking for a lease (they've moved off of school horses and want something more like their own horse) they need horses that have training on the ground and u/s. You make it sound like he needs a trainer rather than a leaser. And 99% of intermediate/experianced riders will not spend money on a training horse. They want something they can get on and show with. Or at least hack and not have daily battles with the horse.
Maybe this is where we're getting crossed? To me, someone who has taken lessons, been on a horse and knows how to groom, tack up, cool down, w/t/c, as well as having a basic knowledge of horse care, etc without killing themselves or the horse is an intermediate rider. I would consider someone who has training experience an experienced rider. Mind you, we have both an English and Western trainer at out barn and available for lessons.

He has training, just not in any specific discipline, because that's not what I want from him--unless being a trail horse is a discipline, lol. He knows the voice cues, knows the leg cues, knows how to stop and go without rushing forward, balking or any sort of hesitation or thing like that. As soon as we hit a dry season here in FL, I'll be working him on ground poles to get his balance improved and from there who knows? If I get a lesson package for Christmas, I'll probably end up picking up some western discipline like barrels. Since I'm not really shaping him to be someone else's horse, I don't see a point in getting too discipline-specific if I'm not ever going to use it.

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