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    04-30-2010, 12:12 PM
  #21
mls
Trained
You don't want to lease - you want the $ and still have complete control of the horse and situation. Look at the restrictions you want in place. Could you honestly accept those terms from someone else if the position were reversed?

If your checkbook can't handle the horse right now, perhaps it would be best to sell or give her to someone who is in a position to do right by her.
     
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    04-30-2010, 12:13 PM
  #22
Green Broke
I don't think anyone was trying to critique you on how you feel about your horse. Just pointing out that your expectations may be a little unrealistic. Visitation sure, 24/7, no thanks.
     
    04-30-2010, 12:20 PM
  #23
Green Broke
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You don't want to lease - you want the $ and still have complete control of the horse and situation. Look at the restrictions you want in place. Could you honestly accept those terms from someone else if the position were reversed?

If your checkbook can't handle the horse right now, perhaps it would be best to sell or give her to someone who is in a position to do right by her.
In total agreement with mls.

Your expectations are unrealistic and it is highly doubtful that you will find anyone who wants to bind themselves to the agreement you have in mind.
     
    04-30-2010, 12:27 PM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by mls    
You don't want to lease - you want the $ and still have complete control of the horse and situation. Look at the restrictions you want in place. Could you honestly accept those terms from someone else if the position were reversed?

If your checkbook can't handle the horse right now, perhaps it would be best to sell or give her to someone who is in a position to do right by her.

The lease is free providing they provide her care and vet bills. Shots I will do I don't expect someone else to cover that its my horse. But if the horse is injured in thier care they pay for it. I can handle her board but I feel terrible she is sitting there and not being rode because I can no longer ride. I wont collect any money what so ever on her lease. I wouldnt expect anyone to pay me for a lease that's unreal.

And yes if it was reversed I would do it. I would allow anyone to come anytime and watch me work thier horse.

She has so much potential but came from an abusive past and her and I have a tight bond. But if I can ride lets say in a few years and my health is better I will have this older horse that was never finished and have to start all over again.

I do understand that some are trying to help but it should be worded differently to the point that your not cutting the other person down.



Help me fix my lease so I can get her leased out. But I do want full access to my horse and it will be in the contract that I can terminate the lease as I feel needed. I sent her to a trainer once and she came back to me not knowing how to lead. She would stop and start shaking. I don't know what the trainer did but it took me 3 months to get her to lead next to me again.

I don't want her hurt. She came to me with whip markings all over her face and body and that was when she was 6months old. She is now 5yrs old and finally trusts other people and will let anyone catch and lead her.
     
    04-30-2010, 12:35 PM
  #25
Foal
How old are you?
     
    04-30-2010, 12:36 PM
  #26
Green Broke
Unfortunately, the biggest turn off for me would be the whole 24/7 visitation thing. If I was leasing a horse I would have absolutely no problem with the owner calling me sometimes and saying "hey do you mind if I pop in?" but any lease that states the owner has the right to walk on to my property at any time? I don't think so.

The way I see it if you know and love this horse as much as you do even a visit once every couple of weeks would be enough to tip you off as soon as something was different about your horse. I assume you know the ins and outs of her and therefore it wouldn't be hard to spot when something was wrong.

As far as terminating the lease, I think that is a pretty standard clause in most agreements, but only if the conditions of the lease aren't met. And seeings as your conditions are pretty far up there, I think you'd be terminating the lease rather quickly.

I can understand you're concern for jumping if she has a previous hip injury. HOWEVER, cantering a 5 year old shouldn't be an issue at all. And if I were you I would do yourself a favour and have her vetted for soundness before you went any further. I'm thinking she would at least be cleared for light jumping.

I don't mean to come off harsh, I am merely doing as you asked and trying to help you tweak your lease.
     
    04-30-2010, 12:39 PM
  #27
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by BlueEyed paint    
And yes if it was reversed I would do it. I would allow anyone to come anytime and watch me work thier horse.


I do understand that some are trying to help but it should be worded differently to the point that your not cutting the other person down.
That is not how you stated the provision previously. Being able to see the horse worked - fine but you want to be able to come on property 24/7. My boarders can't even do that. I have business hours and I expect them to respect the guidelines.


This is the same story over and over. If you don't want honest advice, don't post on a public board. You know what you want to hear - so please don't put yourself out where you will be shown the other side of the issue. E-mail or PM friends who will agree with you.


As for the lease - You can write it up however you want. The only restrictions on our leased horses are who can haul the horse and the person leasing must take lessons. I have a horse on property that is owned by a friend being leased to one of my students. My friend is an equine attorney and her restrictions are far less than yours.
     
    04-30-2010, 01:02 PM
  #28
Foal
How about instead of a lease you just have someone ride her on occasion any you supervise, or have someone at the barn watch them. That's what I usually do if I want someone to ride my mare.

I understand wanting to keep control, it is your horse, but that's going to turn alot of leasees off. I wouldnt call it a lease, just that your looking for someone to ride her. I don't like any off farm leases because then you have a whole nother set of issues, like how she's being taken care of, and whats actually going on.
     
    04-30-2010, 01:16 PM
  #29
Banned
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Originally Posted by BlueEyed paint    
I don't expect her back to close I said nothing of that.
Um, but you did say that....


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Originally Posted by BlueEyed paint
Because thier backs don't completely close till 6-7 yrs old.



     
    04-30-2010, 02:44 PM
  #30
Foal
I totally understand what you want to do for your horse you care for very much, but please understand from the viewpoint of a serious leasee, that it looks like all you are doing is to get free training for your horse (which, indeed, you are). We recently had a VERY similar ad posted here on CL (I actually thought it was you, but it's a different horse) and the poster has been really blasted about it by people saying the same thing and ridiculing the poster for trying to get free training.

I really doubt you will find what you are looking for. Is there any way you can barter something for a trainer to take her and work with her? I traded two mules to a top mule trainer to train my third mule, because it would have been hard for me to pay him. I asked him if he would be willing to work that deal and he agreed! Can you do anything that would be of benefit to a trainer (accounting, website design, babysitting, etc.) that you could barter? It may take them more time, where they work your horse in around paying customers, but that looks like it would be to your advantage right now.

Good luck! I hope you find a situation that works for you and her both.
     

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