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        04-01-2013, 02:19 PM
      #21
    Trained

    This filly is a prime example for what Mother Nature is capable of, without champion to champion breeding
    Sorry for the quality, it's a pic of a photograph
         
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        04-01-2013, 10:11 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    OK guys...I'm going to try to keep up and respond to all comments and questions, but I have to admit I'm a wee bit confused, lost in the thread! :0)

    Okay, one at a time:
    1) FnB (& this will also address one other poster...have to look back at whom-SORRY!) Yes, most certainly, I would have both my trainer and my husband accompany me ..my trainer has 40 years of horse breeding/showing/riding and owning experience, and would probably know at minute three which direction the situation would take! My husband is AMAZING (TRULY) at "reading" people; thus, if there's anything "off" about the sellers, things which they are trying to hide, he'll pick it up immediately!
    I'd like to ask that they allow me to (in their immediate presence, naturally!) tack him up myself in his usual tack (they mention in the ad riding him in their tack or mine, so...) & then ask them to demonstrate riding him (as they "usually" do)... if for some reason, they are quite differently sized from me, or only own Western tack is available (their own), I'll ask to tack him up in the saddle my trainer uses for riding one of her boarder's similarly-sized arabs, so long, of course, as he looks okay to Holly "generally", and passes an initial visual inspection with no glaring defects, and then same while (passes inspection) under saddle for the owner; will ride him briefly, see how he behaves with me on him, etc ...and perhaps see if Holly will ride him as well...

    2) Smrobs and DHW: if you feel the pasterns are concerning than I will be concerned! I significantly lack in ability to see specific, "non-glaring" (,to me!) conformational defects/deficits, thus, will look more closely once I'm finished with this post and again have access to the photos of him. Can you guys educate me, please, as to specifically what you see that makes you feel he is not comfortable on his fronts? I would be extremely appreciative for the tutorial, because I totally missed that in the photos! Precisely why I fear buying! Is this something glaring? How can I safely own any horse if I can blindly miss signs/ symptoms of horse discomfort in a photo! In life, I can readily tell if a creature has pain, so that IS a good thing, but I should, IMO, be more advanced by now and not miss such things! :0(

    3) Someone asked about budget for purchase... it is preferable given the economy as it stands, that I not spend greater than $5,000. If the question had been raised six months ago, I'd have been willing to spend more. Bottom line is that I just, (as does EVERYONE, OF COURSE!) want the RIGHT HORSE! I could have "maybe" five to ten years of "normal, healthy life" left...Sadly, I have squandered much of my healthier youth doing NOTHING for me, always assuming, "Ill have that time later...work hard now, you can "enjoy" life later...This decision to come back to horses is, for me, along with religion, my hope for some "peace" for whatever part of life I have to live in a "normal" fashion! I don't know... If the "perfect" horse was to pop out of a glitter-bubble, happy and healthy and ready for me to take him home, well, more funds would be a possibility. But you folks have taught me a lot, and that I CAN find what I need for much less than I'd assumed!

    4) Thank you SO MUCH for the the other horse ads/postings/ possibilities, you guys!! I have good feelings on all I've looked at thus far (& think it'd be best to comment individually on those, to keep all the info straight!).
    At this point, given that I'm not sure my trainer can travel far, (with her immensely busy schedule), at least until summer, I would say that a horse less than 50 miles from where I live has become more of a requirement than I had previously anticipated.

    OK, soo much more to add! I must get going for a few hours, but intend to look at other postings you guys put up, and will write more later! Oh, wanted to quickly mention, ad Saddlebag said something about height? Height isn't a factor for ME, though I do love drafts, it isn't because they are "tall", rather, I just love the "tank-like" safety FEELING they provide. Honestly, I feel I'd do best on a horse that is 15hh at most! :0) OK! Can't thank you enough, though, no word yet from email sent to owners of Arab, so may all be moot where he's concerned! :0)

    Best to ALL! B2H. ;0)
         
        04-01-2013, 11:17 PM
      #23
    Trained
    Oh, do I envy you for your trainer and your hubby....I have to do all by myself

    As for the upright pastern. To me, but I might be wrong, it looks like he's got very high heels, higher than they would naturally be, which would make him rather uncomfortable when asked to move out. Lots of jarring, also for the rider. A longer pastern gives more suspension.
    I have to admit I don't see very much on the pics, I'm operating from my cell, it might be better with a full size screen. You can look at the shoulder angle, and compare it to the pastern angle. Should, ideally, be the same. If shoulder angle is more diagonal, his farrier should be slapped.
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        04-02-2013, 12:30 AM
      #24
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Oh, do I envy you for your trainer and your hubby....I have to do all by myself

    As for the upright pastern. To me, but I might be wrong, it looks like he's got very high heels, higher than they would naturally be, which would make him rather uncomfortable when asked to move out. Lots of jarring, also for the rider. A longer pastern gives more suspension.
    I have to admit I don't see very much on the pics, I'm operating from my cell, it might be better with a full size screen. You can look at the shoulder angle, and compare it to the pastern angle. Should, ideally, be the same. If shoulder angle is more diagonal, his farrier should be slapped.
    Thank you for the good and clear info, DHW!! Tonight IF THINGS AREN'T INSANE at work, I'm going to do some research on pastern angle/ length/ relative to shoulder slope, etc...so as to make myself a wee hobby of looking at all horses for such factors (best way for me to learn/slowly integrate the info I learn on conformation-looking at every horse and horse photo possible until "seeing" property conformed parts vs.those which are not" becomes second nature)! I love how much I learn on HF.

    I was thinking...if this owner doesn't respond to my email. This will make TWO on CL who never responded to me. Perhaps as horse owners, if I post that which I've sent them. You guys can advise as to whether I'm doing something wrong in my emails, causing horse owners to choose to ignore my emails? Couldn't hurt, right? Well...thanks again, DHW! ;0)
         
        04-02-2013, 12:50 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    He looks under-muscled to me . . .along with other things mentioned my smrobs and desserthorsewoman.
         
        04-02-2013, 12:56 AM
      #26
    Trained
    I've had that happen on CL too. Sometimes the emails don't go through. You could post a request " re: Arabian gelding...( the title of the ad)... please contact me, am interested" or something along that line.

    Shoulder: the angle of shoulder and pastern should match. The more towards horizontal the shoulder angle is, the more forward comes the leg = nice trot, able to extend the trot nicely.
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        04-02-2013, 06:16 AM
      #27
    Yearling
    SMG, You know, I was thinking the same thing at first. Then I looked at him some more, and what I think is "going on" is that he is probably not ever ridden (or, like, once a month, that sort of thing...) & that he IS lacking the amount of muscle that comes from daily workout's but is running around a fair bit and eating well, so he isn't "untoned" or muscle wasting from lack of feed or something. He's just lacking in definition.

    Is that the same as being "under muscled"? If so, then I absolutely agree...he's so much less defined than the QH I ride occasionally in lessons, and even than the somewhat under worked warmblood I usually ride in lessons, Victory (they're both in pics in my HF "album")...
         
        04-02-2013, 09:05 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmOMCKmKnqw&feature=youtu.be

    Aires! I have FINALLY (tried) to view the videos/CL postings you sent to me a couple of weeks ago during the height of my job drama/new job hunt, and I first want to THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN for taking the time to send those to me! Sadly, the only one NOT already down (possibly sold to loving and wonderful homes??) was "Red" whose posting is above...

    He seems to be a WONDERFUL horse, but my two main feelings re: Red are this:
    His awesome talents as a western pleasure, ranch, cattle, working horse would be TOTALLY wasted on me, and I am pretty sure that would cause him to be miserable! Not only actually, would HE be miserable, but I imagine whomever DIDN'T get to buy a horse as ready for those jobs as he is, the person who didn't buy and use him for what he is made for would no doubt be so unhappy not to own him (and with the price tag to match, I am guessing, at $4500)...

    He matches some of my BASIC criteria, in that he clearly seems sweet, and very willing to please, is in the proper size and price range, just a bit younger than I would optimally choose, but what are four years after age seven, really?? He is smart, and athletic, and those are great things also...

    Hwever, if his main training is one or the other, I feel that any horse I end up with should really be primarily English, you know? I definitely want to do some improving of my basic English pleasure/equitation skills, some trail work and horse camping, jumping small obstables--VERY small trail obstable jumping (like, we're talking 18" to 2 ft tops) and some extremely mellow endurance work! He would not be suited for a lot of that, and I would never be good enough to utilize all of that awesome inbred and trained for Western skill/ability out of him that he has as part of his basic "make up"...

    Now, Smrobs, I did look at the three horse clips from CL I believe you sent? The one I liked the most was hands down, definitely the Registered Paint Gelding (the first one listed?) for $1600. If he has any English training on him at all, he’s near to perfect, though I have a few questions about his conformation regarding whether what I’m seeing is normal or possibly a defect in some way? I can get into that in a bit though…In addition to my very much liking EVERYTHING it said about him in the ad, I have to admit that I (queen of “looks don’t matter!” –and, they REALLY don’t—BUT, he totally has my top three FAVE looks for when one is just talking about looks they like, etc…so that certainly does not hurt anything!)

    Regarding the other’s posted, I didn't feel there was much info to go on with the grey gelding “Good family horse”, (the pics weren't very demonstrative, and the info was a bit lacking, so he's one I'd have to contact the owner on if I wanted to learn more about in terms of training etc…Though if he had any English training at all on him I’d be quite surprised! I DID like his stout looks quite a lot, actually, as if he could do anything, and I also found him to fall into the “he’s so ugly he’s cute” category in the face! With the horse market as it is, I have to wonder if the $1800 price tag on him has to do with his ability to do ranch work, roping off of him, etc…and if that is the case, I am in the same pickle as I was with Aires’ pick in the beginning of the post! It seems in Az, there are so few hunter-types around, and these which are, are NOT for sale as they are brought into the state, not “made” here!! I feel that I am trapped in a situation where I’m going to find LOTS of AMAZING Western roping/ranch/work horses, and they are WONDERFUL, but even though, that really just isn't what I'm looking for...unless someone can explain to me what might be worth learning about in all of that end of things, hmmm?? (hehe)...I certainly can appreciate other disciplines, and DO, by far I do, but, I really am simply an English Pleasure girl at heart...

    And FINALLY, last but not least...Stout AQHA Bay Gelding...Gorgeous! I don't see a whole LOT of difference between he and my initially listed Arab, other that the breed, the color, and the age...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmOMCKmKnqw&feature=youtu.be

    I like him a LOT, but his rear L leg looks "odd" to me and for "$2800", I really hope he's got more than what they listed going on with him....

    Phew! That's all for now! Thoughts, ideas, advice? I'm open to ALL, let 'er rip! Thank you so much again guys, can't wait to hear what everyone has to say!!!! Have a lovely morning all!
         
        04-02-2013, 09:40 AM
      #29
    Trained
    So, now that we know what exactly you're looking for....I think....
    Have a look in my "critters" album, "Beau", I guess that would be it? Just smaller? Pics are from when I looked at him and when he first came home. He looks a bit different now.
         
        04-02-2013, 11:13 AM
      #30
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    So, now that we know what exactly you're looking for....I think....
    Have a look in my "critters" album, "Beau", I guess that would be it? Just smaller? Pics are from when I looked at him and when he first came home. He looks a bit different now.
    Ooh! OK, fun!! ;0) Off to look at the album now! Back in a moment! :0)
         

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