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    02-27-2013, 11:19 AM
I guess I'm not sure what area you are in but here are some links to a few more horses. Horse ID: 1853790 - Moonlight Contessa
Gorgeous Quarter horse Gelding
Black Mare
Family Appy. Gelding Horse ID: 1839539 - TIGERS SUGAR STREAK Horse ID: 1846879 - Kaibars Lovleo Horse ID: 1770827 - Diamond In The Buff Horse ID: 1851551 - The Pleasure Zapper Horse ID: 1842186 - Dare To Dream In Color

Like I said I'm not sure what area you are in but there are a lot of good sound horses out there! Keep hoping!

Edit- I guess we all have the same ideas. ;) There are a ton of horses out there for less, and probably have a sane-er mind.
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    02-27-2013, 11:23 AM
^^ we both posted the same horse-and I liked the first one too-thought it might be worth a look, but since the owner doesnt ride, you may want to take someone who is experienced with you to ride before you do.
    02-27-2013, 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by Back2Horseback    
I cannot imagine someone wanting to sell to a person who simply wants to enjoy riding and loving their animal and not use him for any particular discipline, showing, ranch work, etc...after having put the kind of work and effort into his training as they obviously have.

Don't ever think like this^^. Regardless of the amount of training or experience a horse has, when I'm selling one, my only stipulation is that they go to a good home where they'll be loved and taken care of. I don't really care if they work his butt off with a job every day or spend 5 minutes a day scratching on him in the pasture, so long as they just take care of him the way he deserves.

On the other hand, it sounds like they do not want him worked HARD or in speed events, which common sense indicates to me that he could either have a lameness issue, a prior injury, or perhaps the current owners simply don't want to see him burning out early? Does that happen with the western speed events and horses? I apologize for my ignorance, but having never ridden western, I have zero knowledge as to whether running barrels and gymkhana event horses experience similar rapid breakdown at early ages, such as you would find with starting a jumper out too early, too big, and jumping too often...I can assume that would be the case, and perhaps that is what they are afraid could happen with him?
Unfortunately, he looks the type to become very chargey very easily. Frankly, I think they are trying to sell his color and nothing more. What you might try doing is searching for actual ranch horses like Wanstrom mentioned. They can do everything that horse can do, including having things thrown at them and being shot off of....and they do it all with a level topline and a loose rein.

Matter of fact, my brother has a 7 year old (I think he's 7) registered QH that has been used as a ranch horse since he was 3 that he's expecting $7K at most for. This is the horse you can ride anywhere, put your kids on, do anything with...and he does it all with a draped rein and a calm face.

For a price tag that big, I expect either a horse with a winning show record or a horse that is so push button you can put an infant on there and they can control the horse easily.

Have you considered looking at areas a bit farther from home and having a horse hauled to you? FWIW, if you found a potential prospect in my area, I'd be happy to go try him out for you and tell you my thoughts...but I run into the same problem as MHFQ, I am extremely nitpicky about what I consider a "good" horse.
    02-27-2013, 11:34 AM
Man, smrobs-I would jump on your offer if it were me! Talk about a great person to help look!
    02-27-2013, 11:45 AM
Or here's a horse of ours, not a bridle horse, just a solid ranch gelding that we sold for $6k. This horse is younger, registered, and a helluva lot better horse than that dippy paint gelding, and I do believe we got a very fair price for him. I don't know where your located OP, but I would sell you a horse just like old Koolaid here for $5k.

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    02-27-2013, 11:57 AM
Sorry for the double post, too late to edit. To add, I don't like the way that paint horse stands, all stretched out. Something about that horse screams navicular to me..
    02-27-2013, 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Man, smrobs-I would jump on your offer if it were me! Talk about a great person to help look!
Agreed! If I were in the market and looking in TX, I would too.
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    02-27-2013, 12:26 PM
Just watched the video all the way through to see if I missed anything.....this horse appears "stiff", he never looks soft in the bridle to me. The muscle development on the underside of his neck looks like that of a horse that spends most of his time braced against the bit. I didn't see a nice little jog either, if I'm trail riding I want a soft little jog, not a posting trot. Horse is well turned out, nice production, but didn't show any advanced training on the horse's part. My assumption is that these folks buy horses, put a little time into them, produce a slick sales video & turn them for more $$$$. Nothing wrong with that, but you're paying extra for the smoke and mirrors.
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    02-27-2013, 01:10 PM
My goodness! I cannot believe how much you all have educated me by allowing me to see this horse through your experienced eyes, in ways I was simply unable prior! I feel so blessed to have all of your opinions to think through, your statements to process, and your ideas to consider!

I am so tired, having been at work all night, and really want to sit down this afternoon when I wake up and one by one go through your posts and evaluate your comments against my apparent misconceptions about this, and likely many other, horses I've seen!

I'm being very brief only because I can barely keep my eyes open, however, the last thing I want to relay is any form of disinterest in what has been shared here. I have a number of comments and questions brewing about some of what has been said, especially in the face of other information I've read and seen, and I'm extremely curious as to how some of that information relates to the "big picture", horse-purchase- wise!

Anyhow I am left with one overriding thought about this horse, which is, "Why did he stand out to me so?" In order to better understand my own mind, for all future horses I look at (even if just an ad!), I've been asking myself what it was...I need to understand what looks "right" to me and what does not, as well as why so much was missed by me! That may not be the simplest of tasks!

I believe this is a beginning to the answer. First of all, his level of seeming ability to "cope" with everything that was done to/around him was something I've never seen in a horse! I've ridden quick to spook school horses all of my life, the type that would run out on a jump when a breeze blew...probably not a TRUE spook, rather a learned/conditioned response allowing them to get out of jumping/working.

Then, I've seen so many newer riders having to "baby talk" their mounts through difficult/loud/scary things, and always had this sense that the riders must have felt so vulnerable on a horse like that, and I've had a fear of ever owning a horse whom I had to excessively baby around ANYTHING LOUD/bright/different, or else I, too would wind up a vulnerable mess....By contrast, seeing this horse take SO MANY VARIED stimuli in such stride is honestly again, just something I've NEVER been exposed to!

As well he just seemed so easy going at first, but watching the video again, I do see where he does appear tense, and while he isn't spooking, he doesn't look "relaxed"...Ahh, so much to learn!

Again, I can't wait to wake up later and read/ write again with some other observations and questions. Thank you ALL SO VERY MUCH for giving me so much time and information. It truly is priceless. I'll look forward to reading this thread again a bit later today. I hope y'all won't mind too much clarifying some other questions I have @ that time.

To those who've offered to look around/keep an eye out for a possible horse for me, knowing what it is I'm basically seeking, well, that is an unfathomable kindness. Thank you. What a gift!

Okay, more to come later! I'm off to sleep...have a wonderful day, y'all!!

Tammy :0)
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    02-27-2013, 01:14 PM
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Heh, we'll I'm flattered that you consider me to be an 'expert!' I'm nothing of the sort unfortunately, but I'm glad to hear that I'm still in good graces with you! ;) I'll give you my opinion, nonetheless. Please though, don't take my advice without a grain of salt. I've been around horses for a good amount of time but I don't know half of what most of the members here do, and I often have to ask silly questions!

Personally? I wouldn't buy him. He's drop dead gorgeous, absolutely, and he's obviously got at least a little bit of saint there in his bloodlines, but he's been trained all wrong. He's being ridden in a curb bit on even more contact than I ride with in an english bridle with a french link snaffle, which is going to bring all kinds of problems. Not one time in that video did I see them ask him to drop down and loosen up, then just kept riding him sort of 'folded up' into himself, it that makes sense. Add that to the fact that he's pinning his ears (likely from that huge amount of contact) half of the time and I just have to shake my head. I think he'd be a fantastic prospect if you're willing to have him COMPLETELY retrained, but otherwise I would pass. $9,500 for a gelding that doesn't even appear to neck rein very well, and is usually direct reined in a curb? No thank you! We just sold one of our 5 year old geldings who neck reins with a piece of rope tied around his neck for $3000. I wouldn't dream of paying so much for a horse like him.

He definitely seems like the type that needs consistent work as well. Doesn't seem like he'd do well with 'off and on' riding or 'fluffy' riding. He needs a job of some sorts. We have a mare a bit like him. Listens well to rider's aids but she'll quickly hype herself up if you let her and start chewing on the bit, dancing, and swinging her butt around like a wrecking ball. It takes a firm rider to keep her from shooting to the front in the arena or on the trails, and she absolutely abhors the idea of just standing around. If she's working, using her head all of the time, and being asked to do things right, she's a fantastic mare- but if you forget who you're riding for even a minute she'll take advantage of it.

All of that being said, I would personally advise you to keep looking. That gelding looks like a hot head waiting to happen if you aren't careful, and hot heads are no fun on the trails OR in the arena. It did look like he 'settled' more when he was actively using his mind through the water or over rougher terrain, but you aren't always going to be able to engage him like that. And then what?

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