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    07-05-2012, 11:31 PM
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Foal
Amish horse auctions

I am aware that horse auctions are not the best place for someone to buy their first horse, but what about horse auctions that are run by the amish? Especially if you're going with someone who does regular business with the amish? Should I still be watching out for drugging and lounging, or is their are things I should be watching for?
     
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    07-05-2012, 11:46 PM
  #2
Foal
It's an auction. It is ALWAYS buyer beware no matter who runs it.
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    07-06-2012, 12:11 AM
  #3
Showing
^^Agreed. I'm not sure how the Amish run auctions are run around you, but the one's that I'm familar with still consign animals from the "English" world as well. So, it is entirely possible to still end up with a drugged or crippled or ruined horse from that auction.

Like Karrot said, it is very much buyer beware, especially in an auction scenario. Is there any trainers/instructors/experienced horsemen you know that would be willing to go with you and help? Anyone experienced will be able to spot a drugged horse with just a semi-close examination of the animal. Plus, an experienced friend could help to spot subtle lamenesses, potential training issues and other things that a first time buyer wouldn't really have the knowledge to spot.
     
    07-08-2012, 04:15 PM
  #4
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Echosong    
I am aware that horse auctions are not the best place for someone to buy their first horse, but what about horse auctions that are run by the amish? Especially if you're going with someone who does regular business with the amish? Should I still be watching out for drugging and lounging, or is their are things I should be watching for?
From past experiences I've had in dealing with the Amish, you should keep in mind Amish start em young and work their horses HARD. Especially any horse broke to cart/carriage. This hard work can lead to unsoundness later on in life.

It takes a good eye to spot signs of current or future unsoundness, so I have to agree with what others have posted-don't buy your first one at auction
     
    07-08-2012, 04:28 PM
  #5
Started
Regardless of who is running the auction, to me the two important auction rules to remember are:-

1 Only buy it if you are wholly prepared to the potential that you might be bringing it back to the auction next month, and may lose all your money in so doing.

2 There is a reason that it is being sold at auction, rather than in the local/internet ads. This reason is not normally because 'the owner is pregnant/needs a quick sale/likes going to auctions'

If you are absolutely hand-on-heart bought into both (1) and (2), then I will add that I have seen some lovely horses bought for a song at auction, that go on to be someone's dream horse.
     
    07-08-2012, 10:05 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Yupp I have had 2 horses trained by the amish.. One for both carts and riding and one for riding. We only have one of those horses now because the driving one was too much horse. Im not sure where you are talking about but the only amish auction where I live is the Troyer auction up in Brighton and that has been where I got alllll of my horses. But the downside to it is if I wanted to cosign a horse.. I could.. and im not amish.. so anyone could cosign a horse there... but I have seen many good horses run through the ring there:) idk if that's close to you though. If you google it.. its coming up on the 13 and 14th or 14 and 15.. just google troyer auction:)
     
    07-09-2012, 02:05 PM
  #7
Green Broke
My rule of thumb is there is a REASON horses ended up at an auction. Do some good ones slip through the cracks? Sure, but your going to need a WELL trained eye to sort through horses who are sick, lame, stiff, have a screw lose, ever old.

I know its different to hear these things, but here is my first hand account...

Very sweet about 10y/o TWH mare. She was rescued from the kill pen by a local horse trainer. She was supposedly an unbroke (which I find hard to believe) broodmare. He started her, which went VERY smoothly. Then my friend bought her and I have been continuing her training. She is very comfortable, gaits and canters, stands like a champ, first to the gate, not at all pushy. All around a good horse... Except she will be fine one minute and in the blink of an eye with NO warning she spins and takes off. She is very unpredictable. I consider myself a pretty good rider and she has dumped me twice is a month and has almost launched me probably more times then I can count on my hands. She also freaks out at loud noises like thunder, quads, cars on a gravel road, etc. It was so bad on fourth if July we had to call the vet out to ace her. She was so worked up it barely touched her. We had to tie a ladder in front of her stall to keep her from climbing out (and the door is almost 5 foot, she can only hang her out). Really anything that she didn't see coming, it could be as small as a squirrel hopping on the leaves or a puddle that she wasn't expecting coming around a bend on trail. Now we are at a cross roads on what to do with her. She isn't going back to the auction, do we keep her and keep trying to work with her? Or send her back to the man who broke her (most likely option).

My feeling is that she probably ended up seriously hurting someone. They probably didn't touch her, bred her, and sent her off to auction when her baby was weaned. Who knows, but that's my assumption.

Can you try going to a rescue? Then you will at least have a little background on there horses personality, some training, and some idea of the health its in.

They say when you rescues one horse you really rescue two!! You give one a good home and you give another a spot at the rescue! :)
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    07-09-2012, 02:41 PM
  #8
Green Broke
The closest horse auction to me IS an Amish auction. It's the same as any lower $level horse auctions, but an auction is not a good place right now to buy a horse. When I was running my tiny riding academy DH and I bought most of our horses there. IF one didn't work out, we took it back the next month and sold it there, too. At that time (mid-1980's) the economy was growing and it was one of the ONLY places for somebody to take their horse and sell it. That, and the local newspaper ads. Therefore, you could find a pretty good grade or QH, along with retired SB's that the local Amish community wanted for their buggies.
Today we have so many more resources that this auction is one of last resorts. Even so, with NO horse slaughter in the state of IL, many horses go unsold at these auctions. THe meat market must do what the bleeding hearts used to lie about, and travel 3-5 days to Mexico. They used to drive 3 hours north for slaughter, so it was a quick turnaround.
I talked to a woman recently who told me of another IL auction sale barn further north where recently the auction ended, the sellers left, and 9 (unsold) horses were left tied to the fence, for the auction house to deal with.
I would suggest steering clear of these, except for the tack sales, bc you can pick up some bargains.
     
    07-09-2012, 02:51 PM
  #9
Foal
Think about this...

I know your a non-horse owner and a soon-to-be first time horse owner... but...

Would you ever sell one of your horses at an auction? I wouldn't. And, more importantly, I don't think I'd want to buy a horse from someone who would sell one at an auction. They might be desperate to unload the horse, but auctions mean your horse has a good chance of going to a kill buyer. I've given horses away and had horses given to me by loving people because its a far better home than a few hundred an auction would bring.

Its just my personal belief and feeling that the only horse I'd pick up at an auction is an extremely young one, as in foal or weanling, and then I'd have a vet there to check them over before final bids etc. And then it would also depend on the auction, the auction reputation, and circumstance. I don't count BLM in this opinion ever. The BLM auctions off some amazing horses. Pick a color, body type, size, or trait and the BLM has a herd somewhere that's going to suit your needs. Just talk to one of the BLM guys. And your auction price is going to probably be under a grand closer to a couple hundred. But again, your talking young horse or project horse that's going to need extra security and a whole lot of work. My personal favorite herd is Stinking Water so I watch their auctions and drool.

https://www.blm.gov/adoptahorse/onsi...rseCategory=86

Sorry, I digress. But when you talk auctions I get distracted and think BLM because some of my best trail buddies have been on mustangs and swear by them. But you can't do that for your first horse and you don't want a baby. You want a well broke well mannered older horse that's been there and done that and will love the attention a one-horse owner and first time owner will give them.

Just don't get your first horse from an auction.

This is what you need to do. Promise you'll give it a try. Call some local breeders in the area, tell them what you want and your price range, and let them know what kind of a home you'll be for a horse. If you have to board, go talk to a boarding facility and get a stall all ready etc so you can start looking. Visit local barns and boarding places, talk to the people, and put the word out on the horse streets about what you need. It's firmly my belief that what you need will come to you as a new horse owner if you don't fall in love with the first horse you see and really make a firm list of what you want and what you need. Stick to the list. Don't really think color, breed, etc. Be open. Someone somewhere out there has a 12-16 year old horse that needs a good home and they'll be willing to give you a good price so long as you promise to love their friend and give them first option of sell back if the situation arises where you can't keep your horse.

A lot of free horses exist out there too, some perfectly wonderful.

I got my first drafty, which started my draft love affair, from a bestie who tricked me into thinking she was giving me a pony (on a ten day trial) that she took in on trade for my niece to ride - just knowing if if I gave the mare a shot I'd fall in love and I did.

Auctions... anyhow... no way! Know what your getting the first time around. Save the surprises for later when you know more and some older wiser horse has taught you the basics. :)
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    07-11-2012, 07:05 PM
  #10
Yearling
Honestly I think an auction is an auction.

Even with the Amish I've read horror stories about how horses and other animals are treated at auctions (especially the ones designed for kill buyers)...one story involved one of my horse's cousins, who had a documentary filmed of her, and wasn't allowed to be rescued by anyone involved in the documentary for the sake of the story...so sad.
     

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