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        01-20-2011, 08:23 AM
    Either way, she is super cute! Love her expressions. Not in the market for a pony currently, but she is a looker!
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        01-20-2011, 11:41 AM
    A red and white parent can be a cream carrier but not show the trait. It's called hidden dilute as the cream gene is incomplete dominant. Anyone can carry it but you need the gene from both parents to have a cremello baby. It has been in the APHA gene pool for years as well as AQHA but not all of them show the gene. She has the pink skin, blue eyes and cream coat and just being a champagne would not give the blue eyes. That is the cream gene at work. The only difference between cremello and perlino for the most part is that cremello is the double cream on a chestnut coat and perlino is double cream on a bay coat. You may have confused the two.
        01-20-2011, 04:20 PM
    I'm pretty sure the creme dilution gene has to be shown in some way on the coat... Never heard of a "hidden dilute." I could very well be wrong though. Either way, she's still adorable
        01-20-2011, 05:24 PM
    Supposedly something in the paint genetics can hide the visual cream modifier and/or the modification can be so minimal that it isn't noticed that the parent is a carrier. She is definitely a visual cremello and the only other possibility of her genetics is 1 cream gene, 1 champagne gene and a pearl gene which can mimic a second cream gene (or so I've been told). If I was going to be keeping her I would definitely get her color tested but because she is not a registered purebred I don't think it's worth it for me to put the money into her for color testing when she is to be sold. I never saw either parent so what was said to be a red and white paint could have been a red looking bay paint with a modifier that affected the black pigment which could then explain how the cryptic cream gene was passed. Because black based horses can carry a hidden cream gene but true solid red based horses should always have a modification to their coat if they carry the cream gene. Although I remember reading something about a red and a palomino making a cream but I can't find it anymore.
        01-20-2011, 09:13 PM
    Huh, I've never heard of pintos "hiding" genes. I'll have to look into that :)
        01-20-2011, 10:00 PM
    Pinto is one of the carriers of Pearl and when many modifiers are at work then some other modifiers can be visually reduced in some cases. I'm not sure exactly what is going on in her case though as I'm not a color geneticist. I think she probably is a carrier of the Pearl and Cream genes and may possibly not be a double dilute as it is more likely but without DNA testing nobody will know for sure. Although since neither parent was registered (to my knowledge) her pedigree is non-existent so there could be other factors that I don't know about. And in all actuality the Pearl gene is a much rarer gene than the cream gene so that makes her even more of an oddity to color people...go figure!
        01-27-2011, 07:04 PM
    The ONLY color cream can hide on is black (and so black with other modifiers, NOT counting agouti). On a red, the horse will be palomino. On bay, buckskin. Period. Yes, pearl, which is at the same loci as cream, can hide, but CREAM can NOT.
        01-27-2011, 07:16 PM
    Originally Posted by CheyAut    
    The ONLY color cream can hide on is black (and so black with other modifiers, NOT counting agouti). On a red, the horse will be palomino. On bay, buckskin. Period. Yes, pearl, which is at the same loci as cream, can hide, but CREAM can NOT.
    Cream can hide on black? Never heard of that. I know that you can get either a Smoky Black or a Smoky Cream with either a single or double cream dilute on a black base, but I didn't know they could mask the gene with a black coat...
        01-29-2011, 03:14 PM
    So after further research...I was told about paint possibly hiding cream by a supposed color expert but that was apparently wrong. The general consensus is that she has one copy of Pearl and one copy of Creme unless the details I received were wrong and her sire was actually a different color. She could be champagne as well but it is less likely as Pearl can mirror creme and champagne characteristics. She does look just like a cremello in her physical characteristics and she has the coolest blue/green eyes I have ever seen.

    Hfl let me know if you're still interested in her.
        01-29-2011, 05:58 PM
    I'm definitely still interested. I absolutely love her. However we still haven't been able to see if we're going to switch barns due to the lovely weather we've been getting... I'm crossing my fingers that we can move there March/April, and then I might be able to afford to pay board for another horse. I think I could convince my parents to take care of farrier & vet bills (I'm 14, so I can't exactly get a job...) so I would just have to cover board. Anyways, if we go there there is a definite possibility I can get another horse. I'm so sorry to keep you waiting so long. :/ Obviously, don't hesitate to sell her to someone else if they're interested. I'm still not even 100% sure I can get another horse, but if I can she will definitely be the first I go take a look at :)

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