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post #1 of 27 Old 05-24-2010, 10:34 AM Thread Starter
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Correct me if im wrong... RANT

So I had my 3 year old filly leased out to some people. It was kind of a week by week deal. As they were just using her till their horse came back from training. Now im a trainer... but they dont like my style... they believe/act like horses are made of glass. So they sent the horse to the trainer that I work with and am in business with because our styles are much the same. But needless to say because they wont discipline a horse, my filly has no ground manners, wont pick up the correct leads, has no cues or collection anymore. So now that you know a little about the situation...

Her coggins expired... and when we made the lease agreement... they were to handle all vet/farrier/feed/wormer expenses for the time the horse was in their care. Well when they paid for the coggins the comment was made that them paying for them was BS casue they wouldnt need the horse within a few weeks... so I should pay. So I told them if they wanted me to pay, that was fine. But I would take the horse back, as they were breaking contract in not paying....

And that is what happened... I paid and repoed my horse.

So my question is... am I in the wrong by doing so?
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post #2 of 27 Old 05-24-2010, 10:43 AM
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Nope. I hate that people complain over things like that. How common? a coggins is a vet bill.

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That was my thinking. And im not gonna pay for a coggins on a horse.. that im getting no use out of...
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I totally agree. Coggins is a vet bill. They agreed to pay vet bills.
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post #5 of 27 Old 05-24-2010, 01:11 PM
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Yep, I agree. And how much does a Coggins cost? Down here its like 30 bucks. I'm sure they were out more in time than in actual money.
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post #6 of 27 Old 05-24-2010, 01:40 PM
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I'm going to be the small voice of dissent here.

A coggins belongs to the horse owner, not someone merely leasing an animal. Why should someone other than the owner pay for a coggins since it should be in the owner's name, not the lessee's?

If the lessee has one pulled in their own name it'll be invalid to the owner when they take the animal back, and a new one will have to be pulled anyway.

Seriously OP, from your first post it appeared that you leased the horse to these people knowing they weren't a good fit for you philosophically. They don't like your training methods, and you dislike the way they handle and treat horses. What about any of this made you think it would be a good fit with no disagreements?

If you have a signed lease contract, things like coggins, deworming, farrier and vet visits should all have been spelled out beforehand. If they weren't, then I can see the confusion.

I think more than just a disagreement about who pays for a coggins led to you taking back your horse. Sounds as if there's a whole lot of back story we're not getting.

After all, a coggins costs $25.00-$30.00 tops. I can't see someone cancelling a lease and taking their horse back for something that trivial.
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A coggins belongs to the horse owner, not someone merely leasing an animal. Why should someone other than the owner pay for a coggins since it should be in the owner's name, not the lessee's?
Absolutely!

I am thinking this whole rant is a sour grapes kind of thing. OP is ticked off that these folks didn't let her train their horse.

As far as the folks not disciplining your filly - my horses know better than to pull anything less than perfect manners with me. I train them - they know. They are not going to forget in a few weeks with someone else.
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I still say a contract is a contract. You can look on any coggins certificate and see when it expires. If the leasees didn't want to pay for that expense, maybe they should have signed a statement saying they would, or just moved on to another horse.
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post #9 of 27 Old 05-24-2010, 04:22 PM
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Sam, why should a lessee have to pay for a coggins when they were returning the horse in several weeks time anyway?

It's not like the lease was going to run another year; the OP said distinctly that she was taking back possession of her animal in several weeks, and just took her sooner because the lessee refused to pay for the coggins.

Sometimes common sense needs to prevail, not what someone thinks, or because they want to be petty and petulant.

I say it was a mismatch to start with, and unless it was just for the money, I don't know why the OP ever agreed to lease the horse to them in the first place. Certainly their training and care methods are something with which the OP obviously disagrees, and they with hers.

If I didn't like the way someone treated, trained, or cared for horses, I sure as heck wouldn't let them get their hands on any of mine, regardless of money.
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I did it for a team that I ended up having quting because of all this. And I do know how they treat their horses.... but none of them are a problem I cant fix.
And here in Florida... if you lease a horse... written or verbal. You are saying that horse is your horse for the time agreed. And you do not have to draw up another coggins when changing "ownership." Leasing here is more of a temporary ownership.
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