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        02-16-2014, 09:40 PM
      #91
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    IMO that bay TB gelding has nothing on Ellis, not even comparable. Just my opinion but he doesn't have the step nor the jump to make it to the As. You pay for top quality.
    I can't find any videos of Ellis jumping a course of show jumps to compare to the other horse - which I wouldn't describe as capable of going to the top level either - but for that money I wouldn't expect it too.
         
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        02-17-2014, 01:27 PM
      #92
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    I honestly wasn't seeing anything so special about Ellis that makes him worth nearly 5 times more than that same breed of horse with the same sort of history and at the same point in training
    The same people are wanting $15K for this horse and its already competing over a full course of jumps
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtyA8AOK7LI
    Ellis is a 'pretty' horse but other than that I'm not seeing anything that screams $35k at me
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdxAYQbYnk
    This isn't a very big mare but I'd rather pay $15K for her - she's already done more to prove herself and has 'competition breeding
    'Wistful Hopes and Dreams' at Warmblood-Sales.com
    Here's my opinion:
    The first horse is 8 and isn't competing big. He's got nice enough movement and a decent jump but he's 8 and not in the As. I don't think he would make the big times.
    The little mare is little. Unfortunately height does matter in hunters because they have to have the step to make the lines look effortless, especially for an EQ horse. You don't see little EQ horses. (Note this is coming from someone who owns a 15.2 HH mare - I like smaller horse!)
    The videos Ellis has are awful. I hate them. But I see talent and potential. He has really nice movement and a nice jump. None of the horses you've posted can, IMO, hold a candle to Ellis. You don't have to watch a whole course to see that. Not saying he's the be all end all by any shot at all, but you simply can't google "TB hunter" and think any of them can make the big times.
    Again: You pay for quality.
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        02-17-2014, 02:05 PM
      #93
    Super Moderator
    I just can't see that much quality in any of the videos they show - they are awful videos but I can only assume that's the best they've got to sell him with so without stretching my imagination - well I'm just not getting it sorry
    I would want a lot more for my $35K!!!
    On his latest video - after two and half years of schooling I'm not seeing a lovely long striding trot or any attempt at collection (they were originally selling him as a dressage prospect), he has his nose going upwards and his neck looks more developed on the underside than the topline which says its something he does a lot & probably why he has the running martingale which he braces against. The rider is having to work her socks off to get every ounce out of him that she does. He'd move better if he didn't spend so much time above the bit and relaxed & dropped his head and pushed forwards from behind.
    His jumping is better than it was and he seems bolder - but they are very low plain fences that he no doubt sees every day.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdxAYQbYnk
         
        02-17-2014, 02:30 PM
      #94
    Green Broke
    Sullys--You completely missed the point of my post.

    I was talking about FOR MY AREA. I was simply saying that AROUND HERE Warmbloods tend to go for more than TBs of a similar quality. That's all. Sheesh.
         
        02-17-2014, 02:35 PM
      #95
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zexious    
    Sullys--You completely missed the point of my post.

    I was talking about FOR MY AREA. I was simply saying that AROUND HERE Warmbloods tend to go for more than TBs of a similar quality. That's all. Sheesh.
    Uhm I wasn't even responding to you about the TB and WB post. So sheesh yourself.
         
        02-17-2014, 04:12 PM
      #96
    Foal
    May I just say that I find this thread truly entertaining. I hope no decision either way is made any time soon as I love following what is being written here.

    If the OP is really "hungry for fame" - then this discussion is already a step in the right direction. Please go on.



    My personal opinion (it is not important, but so I am not 100% offtopic) - at first I thought the 30k mentioned was some sort of a joke. Almost three weeks later still think that, but fully understand and appreciate that money carries different value/utility for different people.
         
        02-17-2014, 05:30 PM
      #97
    Super Moderator
    It is true that an unproven WB with competition breeding will make more money than an unproven OTTB.
    I wasn't looking for horses in the same price range as Ellis but if I was buying an OTTB to jump I'd rather get it straight off the track for the low prices they make than pay someone for +$30k of not a lot of work they'd put into it
    If I was going to part with $35K I'd rather spend it on something like this - and even then I would have to haggle because its what I do
    Tall, kind, handsome fellow you will love to live with ;) for sale in Antioch, Illinois :: HorseClicks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2j2hn88gY
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        02-17-2014, 10:01 PM
      #98
    Showing
    I agree that Ellis is not worth $30K right now. But he does have potential, and I do like him quite a lot.
    To those thinking that $30K is an unrealistic amount, or that the horse should be winning everything for $35K - unfortunately, not so. Again, it will get you a mid-level competitor or a young prospect that may be competitive at higher levels. And again, you may find the one-off that makes it big, but it is not the norm. Even when breeding the best to the best, you're not guaranteed a champion.

    Ultimately, I would suggest that anyone looking for a very serious competitor to consult their trainer/coach, and stay away from asking for opinions on a forum, because they turn into exactly this.
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        02-18-2014, 12:28 AM
      #99
    Weanling
    How did your ride go? Think you said you were going to be riding this weekend? What did you decide? Or you still thinking on it?
         
        02-18-2014, 12:10 PM
      #100
    Green Broke
    Sullys--Ooops! It just sounded like it was directed at my posts. My bad! ^^


    I'm interested to hear how things went too, OP!
         

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