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post #11 of 95 Old 06-21-2014, 10:43 PM Thread Starter
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I work with two trainers. Neither of them sell horses, though they're doing their best to spread the word about mine. One my trainers would take him if she could make it work financially (and I'm still trying to poke at that option and see if I can work something out with her.)

I can't afford to lose ~90% of what I paid for him in selling him for $500. I'm not going to do that. I don't know if anyone else can afford to lose $4000 in a year and still buy another quality horse, but I can't. To be clear, I am not sending him to a rescue or anything like that. I would rather keep him and keep working with him until I find someone with whom I can reach an agreement, and/or he's at the level of training to justify what I'm asking. If the only way I can sell him is at an enormous loss, then it's an impasse, because I won't be able to buy another horse of the kind I need, and I'd rather have my problem pony than be horseless.

I'm selling him as a hunter potential because he's ribboned in hunter flat classes and has stellar knees-to-chin jump form. I'm selling him as dressage potential because we've done well in eventing-dressage and he has lovely movements with nice impulsion. He has competed and done very well in a couple of B shows, including the Half Arabian Hunter Pleasure Open last weekend with a junior rider. I'd love to take him to more shows but (let me sing you the song of my people) I have trouble affording it. I still may try to take him to the next one available.

Edit: He's not suitable for eventing because he's terrified of cross-country.
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I work with two trainers. Neither of them sell horses, though they're doing their best to spread the word about mine. One my trainers would take him if she could make it work financially (and I'm still trying to poke at that option and see if I can work something out with her.)

I can't afford to lose ~90% of what I paid for him in selling him for $500. I'm not going to do that. I don't know if anyone else can afford to lose $4000 in a year and still buy another quality horse, but I can't. To be clear, I am not sending him to a rescue or anything like that. I would rather keep him and keep working with him until I find someone with whom I can reach an agreement, and/or he's at the level of training to justify what I'm asking. If the only way I can sell him is at an enormous loss, then it's an impasse, because I won't be able to buy another horse of the kind I need, and I'd rather have my problem pony than be horseless.

I'm selling him as a hunter potential because he's ribboned in hunter flat classes and has stellar knees-to-chin jump form. I'm selling him as dressage potential because we've done well in eventing-dressage and he has lovely movements with nice impulsion. He has competed and done very well in a couple of B shows, including the Half Arabian Hunter Pleasure Open last weekend with a junior rider. I'd love to take him to more shows but (let me sing you the song of my people) I have trouble affording it. I still may try to take him to the next one available.

Edit: He's not suitable for eventing because he's terrified of cross-country.
I really wish you good luck. But 1-2k is very realistic for a horse with these vices. I understand it's absurd to let him go for that much considering everything. It might be best to cut your losses.

I hope you get what you're asking and he goes to a capable home.

Understand that this is why they didn't tell you about his vices when you bought him. Because re-sale value of problem horses is basically non-exsistent.
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post #13 of 95 Old 06-21-2014, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
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I really wish you good luck. But 1-2k is very realistic for a horse with these vices. I understand it's absurd to let him go for that much considering everything. It might be best to cut your losses.

I hope you get what you're asking and he goes to a capable home.

Understand that this is why they didn't tell you about his vices when you bought him. Because re-sale value of problem horses is basically non-exsistent.
Thanks.

I do understand that's why it wasn't disclosed. I'm still mad about it though.
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post #14 of 95 Old 06-21-2014, 11:30 PM
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Unfortunately, this is just all a part of being involved in the horse world. Sometimes you just have to take all the money you spend on a horse and eat the loss when they don't turn out the way you want/need.

If the market in Utah is anything like the market here, you won't find a buyer for a horse with those types of problems for more than a few hundred dollars. I know that sucks and it really puts you in a bind, but it is the way it is. I was/am a trainer and I won't touch a rearer, let alone buy one, just too much risk there IMHO.

Around here, a horse that bolts and bucks and rears would be advertised as a "Project horse with lots of potential, free to experienced home only" type of deal, regardless of whatever potential underlying talent there may be.

I wish you good luck and I hope you can find a compatible home for him without taking too big of a loss.
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OP, I had something similar happen to me. But this pony had NO good in her. We should have had her put down. I highly suspect she had a brain tumour or some sort of brain damage. Long story, but she was an out an out bucker, which we didn't realise till 6 weeks after we bought her, when she bucked me off and trampled over me, back and forth. No sane horse attempts to trample their rider to death. We bought her for 2500, and had to sell her for 400.
So op I CANNOT in any shape or form see you getting your money back. Sorry, but he has way too many problems.
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post #16 of 95 Old 06-22-2014, 07:42 AM
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The only thing is to sell him AS a problem/project horse. There are people out there who love these kind of horses. Myself included, if I had the money and place, I'd take him off your hands no problem.

There is a market for horses like him. Advertise him as needing a "very experienced rider" and as a "project horse". It will take a while, but you can find the right buyer. Just don't disclose too much information on the sale add itself.

Be upfront with people, they can appreciate that. I sold a rotten H/J pony to a young girl. I completely disclosed all his vices and information and they still bought him. I talk to her from time to time, he still rears and gives her trouble. However she is working with a very very good trainer and has been since day 1. She has told me over and over that she has learned so much from him and that she is a better rider because of him.

Problem/project horses IMO are the ones you can learn the most from. And like I said, there IS a market for them. It's just very limited.
And, sorry but you'll never get $4500 for him. You can buy problem horses like this for $500 or less all day long.
Then if he doesn't work out, sadly he will likely be put down.
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Bolting and rearing are very dangerous vices. Someone buys the horse and gets hurt or worse, killed? I guess I would rather see a horse humanely put to sleep then sell him on down the road with issues. Even if the first person who buys him has good intentions but then can't complete the job... he gets sold on again or sent off for meat. I don't envy you the position you are in. You have some hard decisions to make. I just know I wouldn't feel good about selling a horse that could kill someone with a habit I KNOW he has. I hope it all works out for you and for the horse.
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Well, you can insist that he be sold for $4500 and list a million reasons why, but it doesn't change the fact that next to no one would want this kind of horse for free, let alone buy one. Around here, $4500 will get you a fully trained horse with some show mileage and potential to go further. $1500 will get you a project horse with no show experience except schooling and minor training issues. $200 will get you a bolting, bucking mess.

I've been in a similar spot - the horse was sold me as a bolter but the previous owners didn't tell me - and luckily I was able to find someone willing to trade for her. Maybe that's something you can look into.
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If he bolts from to much rein pressure , rears, etc, I would not be using this horse for jumping.
, take some pressure off of him, slow him down.
Sounds like he needs to go back to basic training, round pen work. I would take him out of high pressure situations and work him until he stays calm and then work on stepping up from there.
Rearing and bolting are very dangerous as everyone knows. I don't know of anyone that would take such a horse even for free.
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There is always some good rider out there that will take a problem horse if its got potential and is sound provided the price is right
You have to be honest about everything it does - just because someone lied to you does not make it right for you to repeat that and if you care about the horse you have more chance of finding it the right home by revealing all its faults so the buyer knows exactly what they're getting into than if you sell it to someone who gets hurt and then puts it on a one way trip to a slaughter yard
You don't want someone getting seriously hurt or worse on your conscience do you?
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