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    06-19-2011, 04:08 PM
  #31
Trained
To the OP. Give info on where this mare is. There are a lot of people here from or close to Pa who can pull her. If a rescue does not have the funds to pull an animal then they do not need to beg for money to do so. That is what fundraisers are for.
     
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    06-19-2011, 04:39 PM
  #32
Banned
I will quit, I swear.

For those of you in PA looking at 'adopting' from AC4H, check the auction houses first. If you are in a position to help a horse, there are plenty in need. PA has several smaller auction houses that have horses shipped quite frequently. Eastern PA has the infamous New Holland auction, a known kill buyer auction. You can expect to go there and bid against kill buyers. I live in Western PA and was at an auction yesterday where the KB was there to pick up the stragglers. Anything cheap.

Real rescues are full. The horse market is in the dumps. If you want to help and don't have a reputable rescue around you yet have the resources to help a horse in need, your local auction house is your next best bet. Buying a horse from the auction is always going to be a crap shoot. Whether you get them from a broker (AC4H or Camelot etc) or buy direct, you are still getting a horse with almost no past information and basically eyes only buy. If you get there early enough, you can almost certainly talk to several consignors of horses and get some back story. Good horses end up at auction. Bad horses end up there too.

Don't buy with your heart. Buying a 25 year old emaciated stallion with lameness isn't helping anyone. Especially if you are passing by 15 well broke, healthy horses to get him. Pro-slaughter or anti-slaughter, the fact remains the same. Save a horse that has a chance, not one that deserves pity.
     
    06-19-2011, 04:45 PM
  #33
Banned
I believe the pick up spot is in Narvon PA, I am checking someone said they thought it changed so I will post as soon as I find out. Thank you!
     
    06-19-2011, 05:00 PM
  #34
Trained
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
I will quit, I swear.

Don't buy with your heart. Buying a 25 year old emaciated stallion with lameness isn't helping anyone. Especially if you are passing by 15 well broke, healthy horses to get him. Pro-slaughter or anti-slaughter, the fact remains the same. Save a horse that has a chance, not one that deserves pity.
YES, where is that thumbs up button
     
    06-19-2011, 05:16 PM
  #35
Banned
Okay I was told it is now Honey Brook PA. Please stop the bs statements unless you have facts not opinions! If you don't want to save this horse then go else where, you and your negativity are unwelcome here thank you
     
    06-19-2011, 05:16 PM
  #36
Yearling
I, for one, appreciate the HF members advising and teaching us what we need to know. I'm tender hearted - a perfect target for cheats - and have a hard time comprehending the schemes and scams that are out there. So, frankly, I've learned that I need to listen to others and ask questions. Until I was on this forum, I'm not proud to say it, but I had no idea that there were people who did "rescues" whose intentions weren't honorable. (Doesn't that sound dumb now?) I had no idea that it could be profitable and how to navigate.

So, for those of you who have bought rescues (and yes, I have, and would again) and who support the honorable rescues in the system and can help the rest of us with your experiences, my thanks.

The mare looks like she's got potential and I hope someone buys her. I'm in Missouri so it won't be me.
     
    06-19-2011, 05:18 PM
  #37
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
Real rescues are full. The horse market is in the dumps. If you want to help and don't have a reputable rescue around you yet have the resources to help a horse in need, your local auction house is your next best bet. Buying a horse from the auction is always going to be a crap shoot. Whether you get them from a broker (AC4H or Camelot etc) or buy direct, you are still getting a horse with almost no past information and basically eyes only buy. If you get there early enough, you can almost certainly talk to several consignors of horses and get some back story. Good horses end up at auction. Bad horses end up there too.

Don't buy with your heart. Buying a 25 year old emaciated stallion with lameness isn't helping anyone. Especially if you are passing by 15 well broke, healthy horses to get him. Pro-slaughter or anti-slaughter, the fact remains the same. Save a horse that has a chance, not one that deserves pity.

Here, here! Agreed 100%. I live 20 min from Shipshewana, which is a weekly auction that also caters to a tremendous killbuyer market. The horses are run separately through the saddle barn, or the "loose pens" (aka killpens) and there are easily 100 horses a week in those kill pens. Most do go to killbuyers. There are several dedicated local rescues, as well as a fair few local amish, and horse flippers, who pull horses from the kill pen week in and week out. Thank goodness for them.

As mentioned, I've bought horses out of the killpens myself - some in the past have been very, very good horses, also. I don't often see horses in the kill pen go much over 100 dollars - and many go for as little as 30-40 bucks. Yes some horses there are sick, hurt, or problematic. Most are skinny. Few are 100% sound, but some could be with a little TLC.
     
    06-19-2011, 05:25 PM
  #38
Banned
What BS statements are you referring to? Ones that suggest that this mare is in the hands of less than reputable people? A google search will provide those answers and I suggest anyone seriously considering donating to ac4h do just that.

Ladytrails, we all want to help horses...we wouldn't be on this board if we didn't love them all. There are some really awesome rescues out there doing great work. I research everything before donating. I donate regularly to several rescues. Frog Pond Draft Horse Rescue is very close to me geographically so they are almost always my first choice. They do pull from the auctions but they also take in unwanted horses from all over. They keep their adoption prices very very low because donors have usually paid most of the bills on these horses. They have very recently had to make a tough decision in putting down a long term rehab project because he simply was never going to be sound enough for even the pasture. That made me respect them so much more.

Do your research. You want a rescue with a true non-profit status. If they don't have a 501(c), being totally transparent will work for me also. I like to see rescues with good sites including scanned copies of vet bills, farrier bills, feed bills etc.

I always suggest that the first place that people should look before *buying* a horse is a close, reputable rescue. A good rescue isn't going to match you with a horse that is over your head. A good rescue looks out for the best interest of the horse from start to finish, including finding it the best possible home.
     
    06-19-2011, 05:35 PM
  #39
Banned
I have done my research that is why I decided to help they are an open book and I saw which horses my donations went to. My close friend has rescued many horses through them with no problem.
     
    06-19-2011, 06:13 PM
  #40
Banned
FarmBums, you haven't done much research if you think AC4H is an 'open book', and is honest and forthcoming with folks who give them money.

It's interesting that out of all the documented, verified, BAD info out there about them, somehow you think they're the best thing since sliced bread. Sorry, not buying your story.

AC4H as a broker I have no quarrel with, since brokers are for-profit and that's fine and dandy. It's when they represent themselves as a true rescue, yet do shady things like start threads on BBs pretending to be just a concerned horse person.

Then when people aren't throwing money at the original request, suddenly an evil alter ego shows up and starts trash talking people on the BB.

I've seen it before and the evil alter ego was right on time, and just as tiresome and trite as it is every time this sad scenario is played out. Good cop/bad cop is an old scam, and as a bait and switch it's seen better days.

If you're so concerned about this horse, then I suggest you talk to your friend who has 'rescued so many without a problem from AC4H'. I'm sure she knows plenty of other folks who will be more than happy to donate to the cause.
     

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