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  • Picking up correct lead on show hunter horse
  • HORSES THAT DO TROT LEAD CHANGES GET RIBBONS AT NIHJA?

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    04-24-2012, 08:53 AM
  #11
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Originally Posted by maura    
Looks like a great show and venue.
It is, and the best part is that it's at my barn! So Sandie will already be familiar with the arenas and the jumps and I won't need to worry about trailering or renting a stall, so great place for my first Hunter show experience!
     
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    04-24-2012, 09:04 AM
  #12
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My friend boards there; I've taken Excel to a few of their hunter shows. It's a great barn and Carolyn is a great instructor. I was actually considering their Spring show for Excel, maybe we'll see you there!
     
    04-24-2012, 10:26 AM
  #13
Showing
Totally! Lol. My friend is Tessa; she was leasing a Quarter Pony (Miso) a few months ago. She doesn't have a horse currently. Do you know the date of this show?
     
    04-24-2012, 12:53 PM
  #14
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Omg YES you have to come so I can finally meet you! Who is your friend that boards there? And yes, Carolynn is great!
     
    04-30-2012, 01:08 PM
  #15
Green Broke
Where in the world have I been?? We have a hunter section on HF??? Very cool!

Ditto everything Maura said. Someone told me Georgina Bloomberg described an idea hunter as a horse that a blind dumb monkey could ride. (something to that degree, I can't remember the quote exactly). And that's the goal, to make everything look as easy and simple as possible. I haven't showed in any eventing shows but I have done many many dressage shows and I noticed that (depending on the comp) if you make one mistake in the test but the rest of it is spectacular you can still be somewhat ok overall. But in the hunters you can have a perfect round and one biff and your score goes down quite a bit. So the challenge is to get 8 perfect distances, get every lead change, get the right number of strides in the line, make good corners, be on the correct speed and never change it for the entire course. Oh, and make it look easy. ;) I would highly recommend getting Judging Hunters and Hunter Seat Equitation by Anna Jane White-Mullin to know what the judges are really looking for.

Insider tips? In a flat class know your competition and your horse. If I'm not on a good mover I try to lay low. But if I'm on a hack winner I make sure that judge can always see me. You won't get penalized for cutting across the ring or making a circle. So if I"m on a horse that's iffy about picking up the correct lead on a straight line I will either make sure i'm in a corner or I cut across so I can "make" a corner. And the flat classes will almost always run the same. (tracking left, w/t/c/w, reverse w/t/c/w line up)

On a course if you get three things right you should generally be ok.
1) Always get the right number of steps in a line. Every once in a while you'll get a judge who will think it's ok for a smaller horse to add but generally a regular sized horse needs to be on a 12 foot stride for a course 3" and under. So for some horses that's a faster pace, some that will be slower. A pony's correct step will be the add. (A small pony is a double add)

2) Get every lead. Trotting (even trotting a simple change) automatically drops your score down to a 50. (From 100) It's a big mistake. :) So if your horse can't do a flying lead change I'd try to get her to land on the correct one. It's better to do a balanced counter canter then to trot a change. But it's slightly better to at least swap in the front then not change at all.

3) Distances! The whole goal is to be smooth. So a chip in or leaving long is at best not smooth, at worst dangerous. This is probably the biggest things a judge is watching. If you look at the judges cards, it's the main thing on there. I've had trips that were 7 perfect distances and one biff and been out of the ribbons.

And lastly, HAVE FUN!
     
    04-30-2012, 01:30 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by upnover    
Where in the world have I been?? We have a hunter section on HF??? Very cool!

Ditto everything Maura said. Someone told me Georgina Bloomberg described an idea hunter as a horse that a blind dumb monkey could ride. (something to that degree, I can't remember the quote exactly). And that's the goal, to make everything look as easy and simple as possible. I haven't showed in any eventing shows but I have done many many dressage shows and I noticed that (depending on the comp) if you make one mistake in the test but the rest of it is spectacular you can still be somewhat ok overall. But in the hunters you can have a perfect round and one biff and your score goes down quite a bit. So the challenge is to get 8 perfect distances, get every lead change, get the right number of strides in the line, make good corners, be on the correct speed and never change it for the entire course. Oh, and make it look easy. ;) I would highly recommend getting Judging Hunters and Hunter Seat Equitation by Anna Jane White-Mullin to know what the judges are really looking for.

Insider tips? In a flat class know your competition and your horse. If I'm not on a good mover I try to lay low. But if I'm on a hack winner I make sure that judge can always see me. You won't get penalized for cutting across the ring or making a circle. So if I"m on a horse that's iffy about picking up the correct lead on a straight line I will either make sure i'm in a corner or I cut across so I can "make" a corner. And the flat classes will almost always run the same. (tracking left, w/t/c/w, reverse w/t/c/w line up)

On a course if you get three things right you should generally be ok.
1) Always get the right number of steps in a line. Every once in a while you'll get a judge who will think it's ok for a smaller horse to add but generally a regular sized horse needs to be on a 12 foot stride for a course 3" and under. So for some horses that's a faster pace, some that will be slower. A pony's correct step will be the add. (A small pony is a double add)

2) Get every lead. Trotting (even trotting a simple change) automatically drops your score down to a 50. (From 100) It's a big mistake. :) So if your horse can't do a flying lead change I'd try to get her to land on the correct one. It's better to do a balanced counter canter then to trot a change. But it's slightly better to at least swap in the front then not change at all.

3) Distances! The whole goal is to be smooth. So a chip in or leaving long is at best not smooth, at worst dangerous. This is probably the biggest things a judge is watching. If you look at the judges cards, it's the main thing on there. I've had trips that were 7 perfect distances and one biff and been out of the ribbons.

And lastly, HAVE FUN!
Thanks Upnover, and nice to see you again! And I have read the book you mentioned but it's been awhile, maybe I should re-read it and brush up a bit!

Sandie 99% of the time lands on the correct lead over fences, but the trainer I'm working with has said that a good looking simple change is always better than a bad-looking flying change and since Sandie doesn't have flying changes yet, I guess we'll just have to test that theory and stick to simples! I don't let her trot several steps in between though, she takes 1, maybe 2 trot steps and then picks up the lead. I know in the intermediate-high levels, not having flyings would knock us down, but we're starting out at the low levels (I'm thinking 2'0") and according to my trainer, simples are more acceptable there than at the higher levels.
     
    04-30-2012, 02:12 PM
  #17
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Hi, upandover!

Long time no see!

How's the baby?

Someone around here, can't remeber who , asked for a separate Hunter and Hunter Seat Eq forum.

Lovely person, maybe even a moderator , I think it was.
     
    05-08-2012, 01:19 AM
  #18
Green Broke
Thanks HITS! Definitely reread the book! But your trainer will know what works best in your area. I've always thought that hunter judges put too much emphasis on flying lead changes, because IMO a well done simple change looks smoother (and is more correct) then a sloppy flying change. But IME horses that don't have a flying change don't ribbon. I'm glad things are different in your area and you should definitely take advantage of that.


Maura- great to see you!! FANTASTIC idea... whoever thought of it...
(PS, baby is excellent! Almost walking... ack!)
     
    05-08-2012, 01:18 PM
  #19
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by upnover    
But IME horses that don't have a flying change don't ribbon. I'm glad things are different in your area and you should definitely take advantage of that.
Well they still may not ribbon in my area either, I'll let ya know next weekend at my very first Hunter show, because I'm pretty sure my pony is the only one without her flyings
     
    05-08-2012, 04:12 PM
  #20
Showing
That's okay, Excel doesn't have his yet either .
     

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