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post #11 of 18 Old 08-07-2012, 10:36 PM
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You would balance him by halfhalting with your new outside rein, move your inside leg slightly forward to support, slide your outside leg slightly back & ask with your outside leg while opening your new inside rein/bending to the inside. It's much easier to watch or have your instructor explain it in person.
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post #12 of 18 Old 08-08-2012, 01:22 AM
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I found out two of my horses can do it by lungeing them. Getting them to do it while you're on them is a whole other story haha.
Are you sure you didn't do a flying lead change for the whole week? Some judges will mark you down points for doing simple changes when your horse is capable of doing flyings.

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Umm...well Rusty did a few rights to lefts by himself, but definitely not the other way around. I can get him to pick up his left lead pretty consistently, but his right lead not too much. We never place well in HUS because he won't pick up his right lead! So, until he's consistent, I don't see a point in doing flyings. But yes, flyings are in the plan. I found out that when I tip his nose to the outside I have a much better chance at getting him to pick up the right lead. But sometimes he still picks the wrong one. But when doing simple leads, he's fairly accurate.

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Some horses just do better picking up leads when you point their nose to the outside for an unknown reason. When I was trying to get Reign to collect I found out I was leaning too forward when I asked and that made her unbalanced and put her on the wrong lead. She's never picked up the wrong lead since I stopped doing that. You know, you can also ask for a lead over a jump and it works out a lot better for tighter distances and whatnot.
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I want to try doing that. I was just worried at the show that asking for that might put me off balance or look weird or something. My position needs some definite tweaking. As soon as I can, I'm going to upload a video from one of our shows for a horse and rider critique. Hopefully I get more responses this time, especially about my horse. I feel like he goes better than I ride. :/

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You know, you can also ask for a lead over a jump and it works out a lot better for tighter distances and whatnot.
My trainer just taught me to do that, just by pulling her head slightly to the side of the lead I want her to land when we're in mid-air over the jump! Takes some coordination but it worked almost 100% of the time with us already on the first go round There was just ONE line she didn't want to give me her right lead on no matter WHAT we did when we jumped out of it (I swear my trainer had us try that one 5 or more times using different aids each time and it just never happened)! Finally we just gave up and rather than frazzle my horse while she was first learning, we just accepted there would be a simple change after that line in our course that day haha!

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1. The speed should be the speed you need to get down the lines evenly and be carried out consistently throughout the course, unless instructed otherwise (for instance a hand-gallop jump). Generally speed has a lot to do with the stride length of the specific horse. A horse with a lot of step may need to go slowly to retain the relaxed hunter jump which is preferred and the required number in the line. Smaller horses may have to "go" a little bit more to make it down the lines. Classic hunter classes are all about making it look easy and effortless.

2. It's really not about the lead change, technically when you trot to change your lead you're technically breaking stride, which does knock down your score (quite a bit). It's basically counted the same way as if a horse randomly broke to a trot in the middle of the course.
This is for paints, but score sheet is very similar to how open hunters are scored as well.

3. Typically in corners you want to use as much ring as possible, while making the rounded, rather than sharp. Typically more round turns look more relaxed and less frantic.

4. The first round is scored like a classic hunter round. They want a horse that moves nicely and jumps round and square, while maintaining a nice hunter expression. Typically horses are rode more boldly through the course, but consistance of speed is still needed. The course is longer (10+ jumps) and adds different elements not seen in typical rounds, at least, not seen together. This includes in and outs, bending lines, lines that don't measure perfectly, and natural elements, often times you're ask to jump in or out of the ring

5. It's not suppose to, but many people will still wear a coat and you typically want to be with the majority. If nobody else is wearing a coat then go for it, but you don't want to be the only one without one. For equitation class, I would always wear a coat unless it's a health risk. It just looks much more put together and if it comes down to a tie, the one that looks more polished will probably come out on top.
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Judging hunters from a hunter judge

Thank you for such great questions. And for providing a link to my Suite 101 article about juding hunters. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Corazon Lock View Post
1. Speed - A lot of the hunters go slow over the fences. My trainer says they don't have a lot of momentum and the riders need more leg. However, I noticed that 99% of the horses were slower moving. And they did very well. I know you're supposed to have an even pace and not go super fast, but what speed should your canter be at?
When showing you are being judged from the moment you enter to the moment you leave so the round has to be smooth, even and lovely to watch. The horses you are watching may have long strides which can eat up the distances in between the fences. Hunter rounds should appear effortless and elegant.

Changing speed and galloping at jumps will give a lower score than an even tempo.

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2. What's more important? I was really confused in my hunter classic class as Rusty jumped all the jumps and I was told he made the correct distances. However, Rusty is unable to do flying leads at this time, so I had to do simple lead changes. We scored a 55. Then a rider went in and her horse refused a jump, but she had her flying leads. She scored higher than us. Why?
Interesting. It is hard to discuss this without actually seeing this. You did not comment on your horses jumping form over fences, movement, general appearance and turnout. If the other horse was immaculately turned out a superior jumper, and excellent mover the judge may have gave them a better score on that ground. It may not just be the flying leads it may be the entire package. What was her score? 56 or 55.5? or was it 65-70?

3. How are you supposed to take your corners? I know you want to use the whole arena, but my trainer told us to go to the corner for a single diagonal jump and make a sharp angle turn. I didn't see any other riders doing this. What are you supposed to do?
Depending on they type of class - derby, handy, etc it depends on the specifications.

4. What are they judging you on in the first round of a hunter derby? I rode in the class and we didn't make it to the handy round, and my trainer doesn't know much about derbies, so I was wondering what they were looking for.
Handy rounds are scored higher. BUT they have to perform correctly.

5. If they waive coats, in the case of a tie, will the person in the equitation class without a coat get less points than the person with the coat?
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