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  • How many of my steps make a 2 stride distance for a 15.1 horse
  • How long is a 15.1 stride

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    06-01-2012, 04:42 PM
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Maura - understood
     
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    06-01-2012, 04:50 PM
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Sorry - didn't answer your ? On shows - I haven't shown anything rated in years and focus primarily on foxhunting and eventing now which is why I said things certainly could have changed. I also think the shows I have been to around here that are schooling are likely more lenient which is why I see smaller horses placing in the hunters even when they do "add a stride".

I'm by no means a hunter expert, and you def have more relevant experience than me there!!!!
     
    06-01-2012, 05:06 PM
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No worries, I hear you loud and clear.

And my show experience is a long way in the rear view.

The requirement for the "type", the stride and auto changes just priced horses able to do the As right out of the ballpark. I brought along a couple of horses that were fancy enough to do well in the As, but sold them on as green prospects.

It's one of things that drove people to local showing, eventing and to a certain extent, jumpers.

I would prefer that striding not be emphasized the way it is, I had a barn full of nice local quality horses that wouldn't pin at a A rated show because of the striding requirement. So we looked for local venues where the judge would be sympathetic to something safe and suitable laying down a nice trip and adding wasn't penalized.
     
    06-01-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by maura    
No worries, I hear you loud and clear.

And my show experience is a long way in the rear view.

The requirement for the "type", the stride and auto changes just priced horses able to do the As right out of the ballpark. I brought along a couple of horses that were fancy enough to do well in the As, but sold them on as green prospects.

It's one of things that drove people to local showing, eventing and to a certain extent, jumpers.

I would prefer that striding not be emphasized the way it is, I had a barn full of nice local quality horses that wouldn't pin at a A rated show because of the striding requirement. So we looked for local venues where the judge would be sympathetic to something safe and suitable laying down a nice trip and adding wasn't penalized.
makes a ton of sense - i'm thinking the times i've seen smaller horses place when the strides didn't match that of the bigger ones but they had a better/smoother ride and you're right - all local shows. *sigh* too bad that has to be the case because the true origin of the show hunter was on the smoothness of the ride regardless of the size of the horse - focus was on smooth ride and style for the hunt field. And because I DO hunt, I promise everyone that shows, out in the field, no one cares how many strides you take but over a 4' solid obstacle you **** well better care that you got your striding and distance right for the size of your horse!!!!! ;)
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    06-01-2012, 06:16 PM
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I love this conversation, very informative and definitely shows where Hunters came from vs the current trend!
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    06-04-2012, 10:01 PM
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I've seen some very scary looking trips from small hunters trying to get down the lines. It looks downright dangerous sometimes. Just this weekend I saw a 15.1 hh horse at an A show having to basically run down the line just to make it in the A/A's.

There are some truly lovely horses that just don't have the stride for the big rated shows. Though there are smalls that are able to get down the lines just fine. My 15.2 1/2 hh horse gets down line just fine at 3' and 3'6"
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    06-07-2012, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoofprints in the Sand    
Yeah that seems to be the trend with Hunters, that it ALL DEPENDS! Depends on the show, depends on the judge, depends on who you're riding against, etc. etc. Actually, not THAT much different than dressage though, kind of the same things apply...a warmblood who naturally carries his head in the dressage frame and who has big steps full of action will always win over flat-kneed little Sandie who likes her head long and low

Just wanted to comment on this... yes, it ALL DEPENDS! Because when it comes down to it, you are paying for someone's opinion and when it's not a black and white scoring system like 4 faults over 8, you will have some judges who value one thing over an other. However.. if it makes you feel better there is actually an "ideal" that the judges are looking for, hunter judging is not totally willy nilly. The more prestigious the show, the more stiff the competition, there are less discrepancies and less questions of "what is better or worse" because... if you aren't spot on, you've missed the mark! I watched the Regular Working Hunters (4") last year at Indoors and WOW. DROOL!! Very very few (if any) missed distances. Very (if any) missed changes. There was no question about getting the steps down the lines. Most of the scores were in the 80s-90s. The trips were lovely. Of course I suppose if you have two beautiful horses with two beautiful trips you're asking for the judge's opinion on who has the 10 jump/mover and who has the 9.9... but still. The more competitive you get the more you'll know the answers. ;)
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