Ok, after talking to a local tack shop lady who deals with much english stuff she told me how to measure the seat. From the bottom (2nd) button to the middle of the middle back of the seat its 16.5/17 inches depending on if I measure just from the button or from the leather edge. The flaps from the saddle iron bar down were 17inches and the gullet (first buttons) is 6 inches. So we have determined that the saddle is horse size, and adult size. Its amazing what you'll buy when you dont know what your looking at lol. ("oh, that's a kids size pony saddle"...yeah right.)
The lady at the tack shop said english to western conversion...english is 2" bigger than western. So a 12 inch english is like a 10 inch western saddle. My son rides a 12 inch western saddle so I guess that puts us looking for a 14 inch english?? Am I correct here?
The gullet is huge on her. We put a riser on (backwards to give more lift) and the saddle sat more correct on her but man you could just see that the gullet is huge for her. Your right she does not have much wither to stop her. I am not sure if the tail thing would be "legal" for four H. She is narrow up front.
We only have about 5 weeks until fair. Does anyone know where you can get a "narrow" english tree? like that the gullet would only be about 4 inches?