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  • Benefits of having a pony card
  • Pony hunter measures 14.3

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    04-26-2012, 09:25 PM
  #11
Weanling
Maura- In case you're interested... Now you don't need to show the horse o/f to get the card. You must enter the horse in a class (it can be a hack) but you can just scratch before it runs should you not want to compete. I believe you can also choose to give a bit of ace if the horse is high strung, but it must be done by a vet and obviously you then can't compete. This is just what my trainer told me when I was looking into getting Roxy a permanent card. She's a big time hunter trainer- judges rated shows, has the high end horses, students competing every weekend etc. so I'd be inclined to believe whatever she says. Not sure where those rules would be written, just what I've heard is the current policies.
     
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    04-26-2012, 09:28 PM
  #12
Banned
The rules are in the USEF rule book, I will look them up.

The old rules were to prevent people from cutting the pony's feet short to get the card, showing over fences was considered necessary because showing the hack wouldn't necessarily reveal the sore feet as their are topical products that won't show up on a blood test.

Let me go look up the actual rules.
     
    04-26-2012, 09:38 PM
  #13
Banned
You can get a perm card for a pony over six, at a rated show, according to the following:


5. Measurements must be performed by a steward and
the official competition veterinarian.
The official competition veterinarian must confirm that the animal was jogged and is serviceably
sound. Upon the official competition veterinarianís verification of soundness, the stewardís measurement
is final. The steward and the official competition veterinarian shall sign the measure

ment
form. A steward may not measure an animal that is owned by a member of his family or
by any of his or his family memberís clients. (See GR1039.4) BOD 1/23/11 Effective 12/1/11


It's a recent rule change, though, gypsy. The three measurement rule may have applied previously.

The rule change may just mean someone figured out how to rig three measurements by a steward without a vet present.

Here's the link to the rule book if you want to look/dig deeper.
http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2012/16-HU.pdf, sections 168 - 171


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    04-26-2012, 09:52 PM
  #14
Green Broke
So, what's the benefit to having that card? And Maura you mentioned I could never go to a rated show with Sandie since I'm an adult and she's 14.1 so technically a large pony?

Oh and I don't plan on selling her so I guess a pony card is a moot point to me anyway sounds like!
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    04-26-2012, 10:08 PM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Hoofprints in the Sand    
So, what's the benefit to having that card? And Maura you mentioned I could never go to a rated show with Sandie since I'm an adult and she's 14.1 so technically a large pony?

Oh and I don't plan on selling her so I guess a pony card is a moot point to me anyway sounds like!
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I suppose most of the benefit of the card is for if you plan on ever selling the horse, as she could be competed right away as a pony, no questions asked. It's also easier to enter events. No one (well, hunters anyway) really wants a 14.3h pony; you'll never get looked at at a show. Other than that, I don't think there's a huge benefit to having one other than knowing your horse is indeed a pony. Unless there's something I'm missing, which is definitely possible.
     
    04-26-2012, 10:31 PM
  #16
Green Broke
It's only useful for increasing her value (14.2 is the height limit for a pony card and a sound, sane, child-safe jumper that is 14.2 WITH pony card is worth $$$$$$).

Now you don't *plan* on selling her but if something catastrophic happened, a pony card would make it much easier for you to find her a good, new home.
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    04-26-2012, 11:18 PM
  #17
Banned
What Del said.

It is of absolutely no benefit to you now. If you ever need to sell her, it will have a *big* effect on her value.

AND you can go to a rated show, but you'll be restricted to unrated or schooling divisions.

At 14.1 she is absolutely a large pony, and smaller than lots out there showing.

Anticipating the next question, the signifigance of all this is a 14.3 animal has to compete in a division with full size horses, where they will invariably have to gallop for the distances and jump a little flat. If the same animal is 14.2 trimmed short but still sound, it can show in the pony divisions, canter the lines, and jump up round and pretty over its fences.

If that animal can also take up a 5'5" 17 year old's leg and make her look appropriately sized, when that kid couldn't make the step up to Children's or Juniors, you officially have a very expensive pony.
     
    04-26-2012, 11:26 PM
  #18
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by maura    
Anticipating the next question, the signifigance of all this is a 14.3 animal has to compete in a division with full size horses, where they will invariably have to gallop for the distances and jump a little flat. If the same animal is 14.2 trimmed short but still sound, it can show in the pony divisions, canter the lines, and jump up round and pretty over its fences.

If that animal can also take up a 5'5" 17 year olds leg and make her look appropriately sized, when that kid couldn't make the step up to Children's or Juniors, you officially have a very expensive pony.
And.... once that pony has an official card, they have it. So if you have a late-maturing horse that is 14.2 at the minimum age to get a permanent pony card but is highly likely to grow a bit more, you GET THAT CARD!
     
    04-26-2012, 11:37 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Haha well good to know! I was asking more for learning about it anyway not so much for actually getting one, so thanks much for the detailed explanations!
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