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    08-28-2012, 01:54 AM
  #11
Foal
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    08-28-2012, 02:00 AM
  #12
Foal
here's a pic of my position in saddle

The saddle sits level but it still puts me in this chair seat. I discovered recently that the biarritz model it made for jumpers not jumping ..apparentley two different things. Jumpers need to sit behind the motion on quick horses and this is why my saddle is in chair seat and I should have bought the socoa or other model which is more for hunters.


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Let's see if Coffeemama has pics she chooses to post.
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    08-28-2012, 02:03 AM
  #13
Foal
another pic chair seat riding in biarritz

Another pic of me riding in biarritz showing it puts me in chair seat. In other pic I am tilted forward trying to be in correct positionn even though I am battling against the chair seat


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Originally Posted by coffeemama    
the saddle sits level but it still puts me in this chair seat. I discovered recently that the biarritz model it made for jumpers not jumping ..apparentley two different things. Jumpers need to sit behind the motion on quick horses and this is why my saddle is in chair seat and I should have bought the socoa or other model which is more for hunters.
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    08-28-2012, 01:49 PM
  #14
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I wouldn't call it a true chair seat, because it's not so much that your leg is slipping forward but that your seat is slipping back. You're sitting back on the cantle rather than the deepest part of the saddle.

In the last photo posted, it does not look like the saddle is level cantle to pommel, so I would experimenet with closed cell foam seat risers and see if putting a slight lift in the back of the saddle fixes part of the problem.

It also appears as if you ride with a hollow in your lower back, which has the effect of pushing your seatbones out behind you and distorts the hip/heel alignment. Once you get a riser for the back of the saddle and it's easier to stay in the deepest part of the saddle, work on relaxing the small of your back, and keeping your seat bones underneath you while you stretch up tall.
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    09-03-2012, 10:46 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by maura    
I wouldn't call it a true chair seat, because it's not so much that your leg is slipping forward but that your seat is slipping back. You're sitting back on the cantle rather than the deepest part of the saddle.

In the last photo posted, it does not look like the saddle is level cantle to pommel, so I would experimenet with closed cell foam seat risers and see if putting a slight lift in the back of the saddle fixes part of the problem.

It also appears as if you ride with a hollow in your lower back, which has the effect of pushing your seatbones out behind you and distorts the hip/heel alignment. Once you get a riser for the back of the saddle and it's easier to stay in the deepest part of the saddle, work on relaxing the small of your back, and keeping your seat bones underneath you while you stretch up tall.
thank you I will try this. These pics are on my old horse and my new horse it's even more extreme. I called rep to come and do a new fitting.
     
    09-12-2012, 10:30 PM
  #16
Trained
Next time you're in that saddle, (and have it balanced properly) stand straight up in it. Literally straight up. Your crotch will be in front of the pommel. If you can do that without falling back, it's more likely a muscle memory problem than a saddle issue.
     
    09-13-2012, 12:52 AM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
Next time you're in that saddle, (and have it balanced properly) stand straight up in it. Literally straight up. Your crotch will be in front of the pommel. If you can do that without falling back, it's more likely a muscle memory problem than a saddle issue.
please elaborate on the falling back...if I don't fall back it's a good thing? What if I fall back
     
    09-13-2012, 08:58 PM
  #18
Trained
If you can stay upright, you are balanced correctly in the saddle, it means the saddle basically fits you and your chair seat problem is rider created. If you do fall back on a saddle that is balanced correctly on the horse's back with the stirrups hanging perpendicular to the ground, it is more likely the saddle not fitting/balancing you properly and not rider caused.
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    09-13-2012, 11:05 PM
  #19
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When you sit from that position try to sit on the pommel as you lower your hips. You won't, but try to. This will put your hips in the deepest part of the seat and you will be over your heels. Your shoulders must remain back and not leaning forward as you lower. Laughing is quite permissible.
     
    02-03-2013, 01:16 AM
  #20
Foal
It turns out it's my saddle. My devoucoux biarritz is made for jumpers, not hunters I found out and it purposely puts you a little behind the motion on purpose. I testrode a cwd and antares and they both put me in perfect position immediately. My legs hung straight down under my boy instead of way out in front of me and I didn't have to use so much movement to post my trot as before when I had to lift and then push forward to post. Although I miss the comfort of my new devoucoux which is unparalleled by any other saddle (sorry but I've tried all of the new ones high end and none are as soft and comfortable as devoucoux biarritz) I am happy that it wasn't all me and I had other riders tell me same thing about biarritz. I custom ordered a new saddle that fits my horse and me and can't wait to get it. I am riding in demo until I get it and it's same model and I am already improving in leg position plus have to relearn a new muscle memory position as I find I am automatically OVER posting now and have to take it back a notch and relax. I used to use so much muscle to post and now I use almost none in comparison. Have to re-learn to ride all over again but glad I finally found and fixed the problem.
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