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  • I'm not hanging on my horse's mouth it's an automatic release

 
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    01-04-2011, 11:21 AM
  #11
Green Broke
Actually the auto release offers MORE control. Much much more and steady control because you never lose the contact with your horse's mouth through the jump and can act the second your horse lands.
     
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    01-04-2011, 07:09 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by upnover    
Actually the auto release offers MORE control. Much much more and steady control because you never lose the contact with your horse's mouth through the jump and can act the second your horse lands.
That could be. I wouldn't really know, it's just what I've read online. But I was able to try it a few times today and it went perfectly. :)
     
    01-04-2011, 08:23 PM
  #13
Started
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Originally Posted by upnover    
Also, before you start thinking about contact over the fence, make sure your contact on the flat is solid first.
I take it you mean contact in two-point on the flat... That's how I prepared to learn the autorelease.
     
    01-04-2011, 08:47 PM
  #14
Green Broke
A good way to tell if you are ready to start doing an automatic release is to jump with a driving rein. Hold your reins like you would be if you were driving a horse (or like you are holding onto a wheelbarrow), and jump a fence like you normally would. Your hands should be about shoulder width apart. If you can hold your position constantly without touching the horse, you can start learning the auto release.

How did you think that an auto-release would give you less control? You are not giving away any rein, but keeping contact, which would actually be better for you if you have a fast horse.
     
    01-05-2011, 12:16 PM
  #15
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
I take it you mean contact in two-point on the flat... That's how I prepared to learn the autorelease.

2 point. Posting. Cantering. Walking. Anything on the flat. The whole point of the auto release is to maintain contact with your horse's mouth. There are a surprising number of people who don't have a good feel on the flat. If you can't do it on the flat you won't be able to do it over fences.

There are a million ways to learn an auto release. Out of a driving rein like VelvetsAB mentioned. Out of the 2 point like you said. The method GM uses that I posted previously. None of them are wrong (as long as it teaches you correctly and doesn't hurt your horse!) but regardless my point was to make sure you have the prep work done before you begin trying to learn an advanced release.
     
    01-10-2011, 07:50 PM
  #16
Weanling
Sorry it took so long to get back to this thread... Thank you upnover. I recently had a lesson that I got to work on some bigger jumps, so I also worked on my automatic release. It went great! I'm really starting to get the hang of it. Maybe I'll post videos this spring when I can start riding more regularly. Thank you all so much :)
     
    01-17-2011, 07:39 PM
  #17
Weanling
I'm glad I looked through this sub-forum because I was getting on here to post a question about 'releasing'. When I was younger and took jumping lessons I remember it being a big deal to move your hands up the horses neck for a release when jumping...I guess you would call that a crest release? I have been taking lessons again for the last couple months and my instructor kept commenting that I was throwing my hands forward and then snatching back and getting on the horses mouth too much after the jump. She kept saying there was no reason to throw my hands forward but I kept thinking "Isn't that what you're supposed to do over a jump?" But I was watching some clips on youtube of people jumping and their hands didn't move forward when they went over the jumps. They just kept their hands in front of them and then 'fell down' the sides of their neck after the jump. I never heard of this automatic release but obviously that's what I've been seeing in these clips. In any case, I tried doing it as I saw other jumpers doing on those clips...I just do small cross-rails...but I didn't 'throw my hands forward' and the horse and I got along a lot better.
     
    01-17-2011, 09:08 PM
  #18
Weanling
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Originally Posted by rottenweiler    
I'm glad I looked through this sub-forum because I was getting on here to post a question about 'releasing'. When I was younger and took jumping lessons I remember it being a big deal to move your hands up the horses neck for a release when jumping...I guess you would call that a crest release? I have been taking lessons again for the last couple months and my instructor kept commenting that I was throwing my hands forward and then snatching back and getting on the horses mouth too much after the jump. She kept saying there was no reason to throw my hands forward but I kept thinking "Isn't that what you're supposed to do over a jump?" But I was watching some clips on youtube of people jumping and their hands didn't move forward when they went over the jumps. They just kept their hands in front of them and then 'fell down' the sides of their neck after the jump. I never heard of this automatic release but obviously that's what I've been seeing in these clips. In any case, I tried doing it as I saw other jumpers doing on those clips...I just do small cross-rails...but I didn't 'throw my hands forward' and the horse and I got along a lot better.
There's 2 main types of releases...
Crest release: Short and long. The short release is used over smaller jumps. Usually like 18" or so. The long release is an exaggerated short release. You just slide your hands farther up on the horses neck. I think you can use them no matter the height of the jump, but typically you use them up to about 2'3. By sliding your hands up their neck, the horse can stretch down over the jump if they need to.
Automatic release: You read this thread, so you should get the general understanding of it. I wouldn't really use it on jumps smaller than 2', as the horse doesn't really need a ton of freedom in their head. Also, it's much more challenging than the crest release.

If you're just doing cross rails, I would think you'd just need a short release. So rather than try an automatic (although I've been learning the automatic release on smaller jumps until I get the hang of it so I don't hit my horse's mouth) I would suggest you just slide your hands about 2 inches up the horses neck. If your trainer thinks you were "throwing your hands forward," you probably were just using too long a release for the height of the jump. If you still need help I'd be happy to try and assist you
     
    01-17-2011, 09:24 PM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by hflmusicislife    
There's 2 main types of releases...
Crest release: Short and long. The short release is used over smaller jumps. Usually like 18" or so. The long release is an exaggerated short release. You just slide your hands farther up on the horses neck. I think you can use them no matter the height of the jump, but typically you use them up to about 2'3. By sliding your hands up their neck, the horse can stretch down over the jump if they need to.
Automatic release: You read this thread, so you should get the general understanding of it. I wouldn't really use it on jumps smaller than 2', as the horse doesn't really need a ton of freedom in their head. Also, it's much more challenging than the crest release.

If you're just doing cross rails, I would think you'd just need a short release. So rather than try an automatic (although I've been learning the automatic release on smaller jumps until I get the hang of it so I don't hit my horse's mouth) I would suggest you just slide your hands about 2 inches up the horses neck. If your trainer thinks you were "throwing your hands forward," you probably were just using too long a release for the height of the jump. If you still need help I'd be happy to try and assist you
I just want to add to this. It also depends on the horse. When you're first teaching a horse to jump, a release gives them a reward (release from pressure/contact) for doing what you want them to do: go over a jump. With a short or long crest release there is less contact with the mouth which is more of a clear cut reward. So I even if I were advanced enough of a rider to use an automatic release on a greenie, I wouldn't for training purposes to make things as easy to understand as possible for the horse. Usually this isn't an issue because I would think most riders jumping horses at heights where an automatic release would be preferred are advanced enough to use it and the horses are seasoned enough to understand it as well.
     
    01-17-2011, 10:13 PM
  #20
Weanling
Hflmusicislife - yes thanks for spelling it out for me...i never really knew there was different kinds of releases. I'm finding out more and more that I never really knew about jumping. I never knew there was hunters OR jumpers, I thought it was hunter/jumper! So, I thought a release was a release was a release...but now I understand what I was doing wrong. I WAS over-releasing over a small jump and then snapping my hands back to control the horse. Which resulted in my yanking on the horses mouth, which resulted in her throwing her head up and doing this really 'boingy' canter that was impossible to sit. I felt bad because then I couldn't get her to stop doing the boingy canter and my instructor said I had 'caught her in the mouth too many times' and that now she was expecting it from me so that's why I couldn't fix it. So, after seeing these other people jumping and watching their form, I noticed that they were more-so holding their hands just more in front of them and keeping steady contact with the horses mouth over the jump...not pulling, but not slacking the reigns. So that's what I did this time. Easy jumping and no boingy canter!
     

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