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    10-23-2010, 10:45 PM
  #1
Foal
Question Can someone please explain the use of martingales to me?

There is a discussion going on in another thread about this, but I wanted to specifically ask competitive riders in the hunter jumper world to get some perspective...

I have noticed that a lot of riders are using standing martingales over fences. Why? I was always taught that you should not do this for both the comfort of your horse and because of safety issues, but it seems that all of a sudden I see standing martingales all over the jumper ring. And, on some of the horses it seems completely unnecessary.

I also have noticed that the top riders are not using them, and that if they do use a martingale for jumping, it is a running martingale, which is what I was always taught was correct.

When I asked some local people that I know, they really couldn't explain why they use the standing martingale, and one even admitted that they use one because everyone else does not because it had any use for their horse whatsoever.

I am not trying to criticize or judge, but I would like some perspective. I have learned over the years that sometimes I just don't understand the method to something. So before I open my mouth and insert my foot I thought I would ask people who might know. Thanks!
     
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    10-24-2010, 02:40 PM
  #2
Foal
The use of martigals is to keep the horse's head from shooting up. Personally I don't like them because they are useless.
     
    10-24-2010, 05:29 PM
  #3
Foal
Thank you for your response :)

I do know what a martingale is for, what I am curious about is why are they all over all of a sudden? Am I supposed to believe that suddenly every horse in the ring has a head tossing issue, and, if that is the case, where has the training broken down to make this such a widespread problem.

Any other takers on the issue? Or should I assume as I have been, that it is a fashion thing and just another place to hang a fancy gold tack plate?
     
    10-24-2010, 08:10 PM
  #4
Foal
I use a running martingale on my jumper with him when he puts his head up I have no control but with a standing martingale it restricts his head and he panics with a running I use it because he can have his head up enough without having it sraght up in the air running off... personally I've never ridden without one
     
    10-24-2010, 08:42 PM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by zachmyfavhorse    
I use a running martingale on my jumper with him when he puts his head up I have no control but with a standing martingale it restricts his head and he panics with a running I use it because he can have his head up enough without having it sraght up in the air running off... personally I've never ridden without one

The running martingale is what I was always taught as the correct martingale to use on a jumper because it doesn't restrict the head as much. This is also, as I said before, what the professionals seem to be using so I'm assuming that they are correct

I would think that most horses would feel the same way as yours about the standing martingale. I might also panic if someone tied my head down when I was trying to use it to help me jump.

Thanks for your input!
     
    10-24-2010, 08:42 PM
  #6
Yearling
Its to stop the chucking there head up and holowing there back. You have to have it short enough for any affect at all. Its for just a bit extra control.
     
    10-24-2010, 09:25 PM
  #7
Green Broke
Are you talking hunters or jumpers? Don't forget there's a difference! :) Running martingales are not allowed in the hunter ring. Standing martingales are a huge fad at the moment, regardless of whether or not you need them. In fact, I attended a judge's clinic a while back where a highly known judge actually said that he considered it to be "part of the uniform" for a hunter and that very few horses had a neck attractive enough to not need one! Interesting huh? Standing martingales, when used properly, ONLY protect your face from getting bashed in if your horse were to throw his head up/back. Any tighter and it's not being used properly. If you look at pictures from hunter derbies a lot of those horses are jumping the 4" options with no restraint from their martingales. In fact, when they're jumping round the martingale should have a bit of a loop. I was in Harrisburg this past week (national horse show/finals) and I was surprised at how many people are not using them as often as before. What's REALLY interesting? Is to see how VERY VERY few people use them in the schooling ring and then throw them on before they go in the show ring. Running martingales on the other hand were in practically every jumper there. :)
     
    10-24-2010, 09:49 PM
  #8
Foal
Small world! I was in Harrisburg this week too!!!

I am talking Jumpers also. I compete in Hunter Under Saddle and Equitation on the flat and we are not allowed to use anything like that at all so I have been confused in seeing them used so widely in the jumpers.

I noticed pretty much the same things as you mentioned at the Harrisburg show, but I have to say that pretty much every horse in the Amateurs had them on in the jumping ring except three.

I think it is truly more a "part of the uniform" than anything. I know a local jumping instructor that told me this past week, when I asked, that she only uses them at shows.

I just think this is an incredibly strange fad. But to each its own I guess. Thanks for your info.
     
    10-25-2010, 11:24 AM
  #9
Yearling
I use a standing martingale while jumping, because the horse I ride throws her head up and doesn't see the jump and crashes through it, which gets dangerous. You are right, top riders use running martingales because they jump a lot higher, and running martingales allow the horse more freedom to use their head and neck to get over the higher jumps. I only jump about 2'3"-2'6" so a standing martingale is not going to be uncomfortable at that height. Now, if I start jumping higher I will switch to a running martingale. Or maybe no martingale, if she gets over tossing her head up.

Martingales are useful and safe if you use them correctly. If they are too tight, and if a horse doesn't need one, then that's when you get into issues. You really shouldn't use a martingale just because everyone else is or it's part of a uniform. A martingale is just a tool, just like a crop, or spurs and should only be used when necessary. You wouldn't use a crop on a horse that's hard to slow down.
     
    10-25-2010, 06:31 PM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
Martingales are useful and safe if you use them correctly. If they are too tight, and if a horse doesn't need one, then that's when you get into issues. You really shouldn't use a martingale just because everyone else is or it's part of a uniform. A martingale is just a tool, just like a crop, or spurs and should only be used when necessary. You wouldn't use a crop on a horse that's hard to slow down.

AMEN! I love your comparison to using a crop on a horse with a lot of 'go'! My thoughts exactly. Thanks for your clear, precise answer.

Sounds like your martingale is keeping you safe right now. What do you have to do to try to teach a horse to not toss its head around like that?

Do you seem to be noticing a lot of people using standing martingales at the shows you have been going to in your area? Do you think all the horses need them?
     

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