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    10-27-2010, 12:27 AM
  #11
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
Martingales are useful and safe if you use them correctly. If they are too tight, and if a horse doesn't need one, then that's when you get into issues. You really shouldn't use a martingale just because everyone else is or it's part of a uniform. A martingale is just a tool, just like a crop, or spurs and should only be used when necessary. You wouldn't use a crop on a horse that's hard to slow down.

While I agree with you on your viewpoint on martingales, I would have to disagree about the crop. A crop does NOT tell your horse to go faster. It is a reinforcement of your leg. Just because a horse is fast does not mean that it is educated OR obedient to your leg.
     
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    10-27-2010, 01:08 AM
  #12
Foal
MissPhoebe: I show hunter/jumper in mostly the northeast and it has been a "fad" here since I have been showing, even as a very young kid...even in my crossrail days, my trainer put the martingale on for the "fences" phase. However, up until a 3 years ago I was with a trainer who didnt exactly explain the "why" behind everything and when I moved to my new barn I began to explore reasons etc. I have to say that I personally stopped using mine because I just find them as a waste of time to put on. I also show in the Equitation and Medals so I want the judge to think I do not need manmade tools to control my horse. My horse has a beautiful headset so a martingale is REALLY unnecessary for him. Also, he is about 18hands, so getting off and on to add/remove a martingale can be very annoying. I also suggest to any of my friends that they stop using theirs. I have yet to encounter a horse that really needs one but I do believe they exist, or why else would the devide be created? I agree with ErikaLynns quote about the crop. I would think of the standing martingale very similar to something like german martingale or draw reins...you just don't show with them. I agree with a running martingale because it is designed to give a release and it is appropriate only in the schooling ring, jumper ring, eventing etc.

However, I really dislike this "fad" and I'd really like to see it done with.
     
    10-27-2010, 01:19 AM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    

You really shouldn't use a martingale just because everyone else is or it's part of a uniform. A martingale is just a tool, just like a crop, or spurs and should only be used when necessary. You wouldn't use a crop on a horse that's hard to slow down.
Hahaha my horse is soooooo hard to keep slow and I have rowel spurs on and a whip ALL THE TIME... And also even if you think the horse doesnt need a martingale I would ALWAYS use a running martingale when jumping and ESPECIALLY cross country. I think people that don't, 1. Look un-professional
2. Why not where one just in case something happens 3. Doesnt hurt the horse just because its there 4. Helps keep the reins from flying over the horses head if you fall.
     
    10-27-2010, 01:27 AM
  #14
Foal
Im just curios, but how is it unprofessional? And I also have used a crop or spurs and my horse is quite quick. I have ridden for years without one and have not had a problem? I also think that the reins could end up over the horses head even with a running martingale in a fall if you hold the reins and end up going over the horses head...

Just curious.
     
    10-27-2010, 06:17 AM
  #15
Foal
Just being curious here...not rude so PLEASE don't take it that way

Why would you need spurs and a crop all the time? I'm just wondering. I had a horse once that I used spurs with because he had been a western horse (but he was too tall and long strided so they sold him) and we started going HUS but he was trained with a spur stop. So you had to have spurs.

I have never ridden with a crop, but I'm not an eventer and hardly a jumper. Is it just to have backup if they refuse or stand off a fence or to get your strides? Just curious.

Also I would think that the less false aids that you have to use on a horse than the more professionally polished both you and your horse look in the ring. However, this might be due to my background and the shows I have been to. I am just starting to cross over from open and breed shows and have only been to the jumping events a couple times to ride but mostly as a spectator.
     
    10-27-2010, 10:54 AM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by upnover    
While I agree with you on your viewpoint on martingales, I would have to disagree about the crop. A crop does NOT tell your horse to go faster. It is a reinforcement of your leg. Just because a horse is fast does not mean that it is educated OR obedient to your leg.

I was just trying to make a point about martingales, not get into the technicalities of the use of crops and spurs. And I would NEVER use a crop or spurs on a horse that didn't need them...same with the martingale. Hence why I made that reference.
     
    10-27-2010, 11:32 AM
  #17
Weanling
I've seen this too at even the local schooling shows, I asked my trainer/instructor about using them, particularly on my 19 year old gelding, he said that he doesn't need one so don't use on and that it's mainly a fad thing. I don't get it either, if it's not necessary, then why use it.?
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I want the judge to think that I do not need manmade tools to control my horse
That was a partial quote from ohsareee and I gotta agree with that.
     
    10-27-2010, 11:40 AM
  #18
Green Broke
I have always wanted to know - in what situation would you use a standing martingale because a running martingale is not appropiate? Aside from show rules, I mean in a training sense.

I.e. Why were standing martingales invented? Or were they invented first and the running martingale is a new and improved version? Why would you use one now rather than a running martingale? Question is purely out of curiosity, no offense to users of standing martingales intended.
     
    10-27-2010, 01:03 PM
  #19
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MissPhoebe    

Why would you need spurs and a crop all the time? I'm just wondering. I had a horse once that I used spurs with because he had been a western horse (but he was too tall and long strided so they sold him) and we started going HUS but he was trained with a spur stop. So you had to have spurs.
I always have them just in case I happen to need them. However I ONLY use spurs on a well trained horse, simple because they're an extension of my leg. My gelding, god love him, is pretty awesome but he's also very opinionated and sometimes needs that little extra oomph that spurs can give me. I also carry a crop for the same reason when jumping. If he doesn't think I'm serious about going over that jump then he's smart enough to realize that he can just go around it. For the most part I only ever need it once, on the approach to the first fence of my ride, and then he's perfectly fine. It's a reinforcement of my leg and I know that if I DON'T ride with one I'll surely end up needing it. Just because you're carrying one doesn't mean you'll necessarily use it.

With my previous horse you didn't even have to touch her with it, if she knew you had it she would be perfectly compliant about everything and do whatever she was asked in a willing, happy manner.
     
    10-27-2010, 05:52 PM
  #20
Weanling
Pretty much for the reason Strange said. My horse is very young but she has been through a lot of training so she can handle them. With her I have to use my spurs 5-10 times a lesson because she ignores me or starts backing up or backs off of my leg or gets behind my leg.... YUP!

Also I think martingales look more professional (show jumping and eventing wise) because your kinda stupid to not have one, at least novice and up....
     

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