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post #131 of 137 Old 04-24-2009, 02:43 PM
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My appendix mare used to rush fences like it was her only job in the world. lol She'd see a fence and away she'd charge. If I stopped her, it only made her more tense and braced. I did as exactly as Spyder and MI Eventer are trying to get across. I can't count the number of times I had to do a circle or two before the next jump. My trainer told me I was not allowed to pull on her face, just circle her while trying to encourage her to slow down by the change in my body. Once she did, she was allowed to walk. Boy was that an experience for me at the time. Here is my horse, blasting towards this fence(not out of control, but not steady by any means), and I was only allowed to slow her with my body, otherwise leave her face completely alone. The more times I did that, the fences got boring the more boring I was, and in time I learned a very special and important skill. Riding with my body, not my hands, and teaching my horse to feel me.
She'll never look like a slow-mo hunter type mover, but now she stays right with me due to the communication of my body, which taught her how to relax.
Thanks for posting that! That is exactly what Dorothy Crowell had me do with Nelson as well, when I had the same exact issue with him.

I mean - come on! He took a 5 in 3 and a 4 in 2 - he was really powerful! SO, Dorothy had me working via my body, not hands - to controll him.

Remember, our horses come down to our seats. We NEVER ride hands first, we should always ride seat first.

Seat into Legs into Hands to Soften.

When I was shown that, it sure did shine a whole new light. Watch GP riders - they all ride with their seats.

I went to Chicago and watched George Morris give a clinic - he taught the same thing. Seat into Legs into Hands to Soften -

AND!! A big thing he stressed, is that if your horse is not well balanced, is not following the steps in the training scale - if your horse is not calm, relaxed, you have no business going over fences.

DRESSAGE is essential - Jumping is Dessage with speed bumps, so incorporate your movements between the fences.

I hope that helps you Spastic Dove. And yes, I firmly believe - because I've seen it first hand - that the exercise with the stopping does not help us achieve a well rounded, quiet, relaxed horse.

As I heard George Morris stress - that we must follow the training scale first and foremost. Once we've achieved Relaxation, Rhythm - then start incorporating fences.

So many riders want to rush to jumping - because agan - "I JUMP SO THEREFORE I AM" throwing out the ideals of essential dressage as our foundation to back up the jumping. If we don't have the basic fundamentals of dressage, then we shouldn't be jumping.

If we build a house, we want to start out with a strong and sturdy foundation first. Without that, our horse will not be structurally sound, will not withstand time, and will deteriorate before we want. Same with riding - we want to start out with a strong foundation first, then build the rest around that - so that our horses are structurally strong, that can withstand time - to have a well rounded, healthy, happy mount.

If our horses are speeding around - we are missing parts of the training scale. If our horses are blasting through the course - stopping isn't going to do diddly squat - where fundamentals of dressage will help to fill those holes.

Get what I am saying?

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post #132 of 137 Old 04-24-2009, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MIEventer View Post
Morse than likely, she does noy agree.

Sypder took the time out to post her thoughts, and her experiences and where she is in the Dressage World - and all she gets is sarcasim?

yeah, that's what I figured. i guess she knows something spyder doesn't know.

Spastic Dove- the "halting after a fence" training technique that trissacar mentioned is a common tool that a lot of riders do where they land and just stop straight into the fence instead of going on around the corner (sometimes after the halt they change direction). It's not quite the same as simply transitioning gaits after each fence and -i think- doesn't have as good results. I see it fairly frequently and while I don't think it's great I admit I've done it. I personally think it's more of a quick semi-fix for a horse that drops his shoulder and barrels around the corner but isn't quite responsive enough to listen to your seat/body to do anything else (an issue in itself). If the horse was going better there are more effective ways to solve the issue then just stopping. It is not my recommendation to the OP (haha, if the OP is even still around....) because, if you see her pictures/videos you can see that there is a whole mess of issues going on that is only exacerbated by jumping. However, we've hijacked this this thread and started discussing our own opinions on whether our not halting straight is an effective tool.

Thanks MIEventer for the props from my posts! Pat on the back for your many detailed and very well explained posts as well!
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post #133 of 137 Old 04-24-2009, 08:23 PM
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Yeah definitely slam the horse into a halt and then for good measure make it back up. If this is what the Madden's are teaching their students..
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post #134 of 137 Old 05-08-2009, 06:32 PM
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To me (I am not all that experienced, tho) it seems like dressage (as others said) will help a lot because you focus a lot on the horse being balanced and responsive and whatnot- which is nothing that a charging horse is. A horse that is charging is ignoring your aids (not responsive) and speeding up faster and faster- not balanced. Also, if you go back to lower fences, that will help. I ride a horse who is still learning to jump, and he speeds up so much because he gets nervous. What we do is just walk up to the jump and go over it. Later we just trot the fences, still very low, and he is great over them. Tight (but not too tight) turns might help too, because your horse must stay balanced and not too fast to turn and then jump. Don't do too much jumping in a perfectly straight line, because then it will be easier for your horse to ignore the aids and just speed up- he doesn't have to pay attention to you when the jump is ahead of him and he has jumped it before. Again, I'm not sure if what I've said will help or not- it's just what I think might work.
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post #135 of 137 Old 05-13-2009, 09:03 PM
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my instructor told me something really usefull, you can use your hands or body, a horse can resist and lean on your hands, he cant stop you using your body. it was something like that any way. and I now have flatwork lessons....THERE AMAZING!
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post #136 of 137 Old 05-13-2009, 09:56 PM
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Im not sure if this has been mentioned prior to me saying as i cant be bothered reading ALL the posts lol but are his teeth ok?? Just a thought also...

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post #137 of 137 Old 05-15-2009, 06:40 AM Thread Starter
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Clippy has stoped charging jumps(thank god) and the vet came out and said clippy is 100% healthy in every way.
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