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        04-03-2009, 03:55 PM
      #11
    Trained
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    And I have only jumped him about 3'9''
    It isn't the height that counts, it is the quallity that does.

    If you have no dressage what-so-ever under you and your horse, you are doing an injustice to your horses education, physical wellbeing and to the sport.

    You should not being doing 3'9" at all - when you have no strong fundamentals of dressage basics under neither of you.

    Right now - you are probobly riding front to back and pulling on your horses face instead of lifting their ribs/back and focusing on the back end. You are more than likely, going around on a flat horse, heavy on the forehand, with no balance, no rhytm, no control.

    Jumping is dressage, with speed bumps. You CANNOT be successful at jumping if you do not have dressage.

    If GP riders spend most of their time doing dressage and jumping once a week -where their horses do minimally level 3 dressage - then so can you.

    This is about the horse, not you. Do your horse some good and put proper training under the both of you.

    I would far wrather see a rider going over a 2'0" fence, on a horse that is soft, supple, rounded, engaged, rhythmical - with their rider solid and fluid......than someone plowing over a 3'0" and bigger fence, with a flat, heavy, unrhythmical horse and a rider with unfunctional form.

    You need to focus on dressage - no if, and's or but's about it.
         
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        04-03-2009, 04:09 PM
      #12
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    It isn't the height that counts, it is the quallity that does.

    If you have no dressage what-so-ever under you and your horse, you are doing an injustice to your horses education, physical wellbeing and to the sport.

    You should not being doing 3'9" at all - when you have no strong fundamentals of dressage basics under neither of you.

    Right now - you are probobly riding front to back and pulling on your horses face instead of lifting their ribs/back and focusing on the back end. You are more than likely, going around on a flat horse, heavy on the forehand, with no balance, no rhytm, no control.

    Jumping is dressage, with speed bumps. You CANNOT be successful at jumping if you do not have dressage.

    If GP riders spend most of their time doing dressage and jumping once a week -where their horses do minimally level 3 dressage - then so can you.

    This is about the horse, not you. Do your horse some good and put proper training under the both of you.

    I would far wrather see a rider going over a 2'0" fence, on a horse that is soft, supple, rounded, engaged, rhythmical - with their rider solid and fluid......than someone plowing over a 3'0" and bigger fence, with a flat, heavy, unrhythmical horse and a rider with unfunctional form.

    You need to focus on dressage - no if, and's or but's about it.
    Well said, good advice.
         
        04-03-2009, 04:28 PM
      #13
    Banned
    Clippy know dressage. And I did not meen that I would never use it. I just would never like go into compo. With him. And I do know that if you jump you/your horse must know dressage.
         
        04-03-2009, 04:40 PM
      #14
    Showing
    I would highly suggest you practice some dressage with Clippy. From the photos and videos I have seen, what dressage training he does have isn't extensive, and could be furthered.
    He does travel hollow and doesn't know how to really use his body. It is not shocking to me that he rushes to a higher jump because he just doesn't know how to jump properly.
    Like MIEventer said, I too would rather hear/see someone doing wonderfully over a 2' fence than pushing to jump "big" and risking their horses' minds, bodies, and training.
    He is a cute horse and has potential, now it's up to you to harness that potential and use it to your advantage.

    One friend of mine moved from my barn a few years back. When she left we were jumping as a group around the 4' mark. Her little mare was awesome, with so much scope and potential.
    Well, this girl and her trainer decided to push this mare to her limits, and the ended up overfacing her at about 5'. The mare will not jump a 2'er now, she completely breaks down.
         
        04-03-2009, 04:48 PM
      #15
    Banned
    I am not as interested as jumping than gymkhana, but I still like to jump.
    And I am graduatly moving him up 4-6 inches at a time. I do not plan to go over 4ft.
         
        04-03-2009, 04:51 PM
      #16
    Showing
    It doesn't matter if you gradually move him up, if you don't have the dressage (flatwork) training, your jumping will not improve.
         
        04-03-2009, 07:28 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Agree'd - if you don't have basics and strong basics in dressage - meaning doing Training Level Dressage well and competantly and functionally - you shouldn't be going over fences bigger than 2'0".

    Not fair to your horse at all.

    It is one thing to gallop to a fence and pop over it - fine and dandy, but lets stop and think about our horses welfare. Your horse needs the proper time and education and training on the flat, to be a well rounded functional horse.

    You claim that your horse is "an all round mount" but I doubt that there is any functionallity to it - if you have no dressage.

    Did you know Top Level Barrel Racers - who win the big bucks...take dressage lessons, believe it or not.

    Lets take the Keyhole at a Gymkanna Event - guess what - you're doing dressage!

    Yeah - you're doing dressag when you walk, trot and canter - but how functional are you when you do it?

    Don't you want what is best for your horse? Don't you want your horse to utalize all the correct muscles in their body, to be that much more stronger and healthier of a horse? Don't you want your horse to have longeivity?

    Your horse wont have any of that - if you don't learn to ride correcltly and functionally.

    Unfair for your horse.

    Remember - we are here for our horses - not ourselves. If you are going over 3'9" fences, with no strong basics in dressage, that's selfish on your part and shame on you. Totally unfair for your horse.

    I have been off all winter due to my TB getting corrective shoeing - and I am spending my days doing just hacking and flat work to get him conditioned and brought back to competative shape. We are doing lots of work on lifting his back, engaging his back end and all those movements at Training Level Dressage - so that we can be up to par when we start going over fences.

    I would love to see how well someone does, over a 7 - 10 jump course at a comp - without any strong basics and fundamentals in dressage.
         
        04-03-2009, 08:03 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Anyways - BACK TO TOPIC - - - -

    The answer is dressage. You want your horse to stop charging at the fences, and the cure is dressage/flat work.

    You need to establish riding BACK to FRONT - Seat into Legs into Hands to Soften.

    You have to learn to use your seat properly, your legs properly and lastly your hands. You want your horse engaged, back lifted, off their forehand and up into your aids.

    Right now, your horse - more than likely, is going around heavy on the front, on their forehand, back dropped, hind end carried high.

    Remember - jumping is dressage with speed bumps.

    You need to work on building the correct muscles. You need to work on rhythm and tempo. Using your seat to bring your horse to you. Your seat always comes first and foremost, your legs work in accordance and aid your seat, and you allow the energy to recycle thorugh soft and supportive contact through your outside rein.

    Is there any way you can get dressage lessons from someone? Doesn't mean you have to go pro with it, but it will help both you and your horse - immensly. This will benefit both you and your horse, greatly.

    I think I heard you talking about wanting to event? If you do - I would highly suggest riding lessons. Don't stop learning, and don't stop having fun - but do what is best for the both of you.

    It is one thing to read words on a computer screen, but another to have the educated help 1 on 1 in person.
         
        04-04-2009, 03:51 PM
      #19
    Banned
    I am moving to a different stable in a few weeks and a 16 year old girl is going to give me lessons.
         
        04-04-2009, 04:03 PM
      #20
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by morganshow11    
    I am moving to a different stable in a few weeks and a 16 year old girl is going to give me lessons.
    Good luck. I am sure that you will get something out of the move.
         

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