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        07-11-2009, 05:43 PM
    LOL ahhh okay thanks for that - wanted to clarify- yeah that's very much the same over here - except its 100% on the horse and each jump is marked plus over all impression/mistakes - wrong legs/rhythm/tension etc and again the rider has to help the horses form - eg too far forward horse will jump over the knees etc...

    First impression - very cute horse!!!
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        07-12-2009, 03:34 PM
    Green Broke
    Technically in hunter classes it should be based purely on the horse (hence trainers with some pretty bad eq who still do well!), but the rider plays a very big part in how the horse goes. A good rider can help an average horse do better. (although some very beginner riders can sit on a push button horse and win a blue by just sitting there as well) there was a thread on the COTH forum where a bunch of judges actually said that in a hack class they WOULD count off if the rider was on the wrong diagonal! (unless it was more of a beginner division) Granted, being on the correct diagonal helps your horse move better but still I was surprised to hear that.
        07-12-2009, 11:26 PM
    Green Broke
    Is this a crest release or auto?
        07-12-2009, 11:34 PM
    Originally Posted by sunny06    
    Is this a crest release or auto?
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    I'm going to say crest. With an auto release you "go with" the horse's mouth, so there is no slack in the reins. This rider's hands just happen to be more on the side of the neck.
        07-12-2009, 11:38 PM
    My quick suggestion is to go buy yourself George Morris' book Hunter Seat Equitation, he is the master. Also check out his columns on jumping position every month in Practical Horseman magazine. :)
        07-12-2009, 11:52 PM
    Green Broke
    ^^ I'll also have you know he CREATED the crest release :P
        07-13-2009, 02:49 PM
    Originally Posted by sunny06    
    ^^ I'll also have you know he CREATED the crest release :P
    Your point being?
        07-13-2009, 05:38 PM
    And what is it that you are trying to proove with your unappreciated comment Misfit?

    You're right Sunny, he did create the Crest Release.

    Since this discussion is about form, and about the Guru George Morris, I believet the Crest Release is over done, and Even GM rants about it when he sees a rider using the crutch of that release when the rider shoud be using the Automatic.

    GM created the crest only for beginner riders, so that they can a) Use the horses neck to support their upper bodies since their lower bodies cannot at that point in time and b) to stay out of their horses faces while going over a fence, again, becaues they cannot support themselves with their lower.

    Today we see many riders who can clearly support themselves with their lower bodies, still using the crest.

    I do believe that not every fence is going to give us that perfect spot, and to stay out of our horses way we need to do the crest to allow them to do their job since we already flubbed it up - but there are riders out there who have beautiful rides, and still use the release, which I think has crossed that line into being a crutch.

    GM talks about it quite often, and sadly, the Automatic is rarely used in North America - because everyone has become too concerned about how pretty their equitation is.

    Pretty is as pretty does.

    He created the Crest
        07-13-2009, 07:23 PM
    Not trying to prove anything MIEventer, just asking a question.

    Sunny has been rather outspoken recently against the crest release. I simply asked her what she was getting at, and she was getting at something. I prefer not to be a mind reader, but for people to say what they mean.

    As for the crest release vs auto, I know some may disagree but IMO there is little benefit to using an auto release vs crest release on most modern hunter courses.

    When you have 'outside line, diagonal, outside, diagonal' as your course, you don't need to be micro managing every step of the way. A nicely done crest release is just as good, and it makes life a bit easier when staying with the 'WOW' jumps.

    Further along that train of thought, these show hunters have WOW jumps. I'd be lucky to stay on, let alone having perfect eq.

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