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    05-09-2011, 11:07 PM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
...But you need to invest in a saddle that aids you - because this one is hindering you. And I believe, that no matter how hard to try to correct your chair seat, you'll only get so far because of how this saddle naturally places you...
I don't jump, and this is a question, not advice:

I have several saddles - Western, Australian and English. Not surprisingly, they all fit a bit different. Also, my youngest daughter uses the western one, which is too large for her but I haven't found any smaller at a price I'm willing to pay that would fit my horses - and she doesn't mind.

I've pretty much concluded that it is best to ride the saddle...put you butt in the deepest part, adjust your leg so the stirrup strap is vertical, and accept what that gives you. If it is a chair seat, so be it.

My belief is that if the stirrup leathers aren't vertical, you can't have a steady leg, and the deepest part of the saddle is where gravity puts your butt. So you can fight your saddle and have your leg swinging around putting you off balance, or you can accept what the saddle gives you and know that you just won't be as good as you would in a better fitting saddle.

Does that make sense?

From a jump perspective - as a reader, not a rider - would that mean the rider would need to lean more forward than usually desired in a saddle that forces a chair seat, so she could keep her center of gravity over the stirrups?

Remember - I'm asking, NOT advising!
     
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    05-10-2011, 12:37 PM
  #12
Foal
I don't 100% agree with all of this. While a correct saddle does definitely help a rider, a perfectly correct one isn't going to magically fix the problems either. I think a lot of the problems you are having are from trainers who don't worry about your position. When I am teaching students I focus on their equitation and seat and magically as soon as they are in balance the horse comes in balance and onto the bit too. Every part of you that is off balance or stiff, the horse has to compensate for. It's not secret that often times places where horses are sore/stiff their rider has the same problem with as well.

If you can't get a new saddle, make sure it is fitting the horse ok and if it leans too far back get a riser pad. Like another user posted, it's not a perfect fix, but will help you and your horse. If you took the saddle away and rode the horse bareback you are still going to sit too far back, so if that is true, it eliminates the whole saddle problem.

I believe that if you can work on bringing your legs behind you, tipping your pelvis for forward, holding yourself up with your core strength, gripping/posting/jumping from your legs and NOT your stirrups you will eliminate the problem. It's going to change your whole center of balance and use different muscles that you did before, so be patient but you can get there!
     
    05-10-2011, 01:50 PM
  #13
Trained
Bsms - to your post :) Let me tell you my experience.

I used to own a Wintec 500 A/P. It was the only saddle I had for about 3/4 years....I cannot recall the exact # I owned it....but anyways - it always put me in a chair seat. I just "went" with it, and continued on doing what I was doing with it.....

Until I rode with Buck Davidson at a Clinic that our local Pony Club put on. He looked at me in this Wintec and said that I need to invest in a new saddle that put me in a better position. During our session, no matter how hard I tried to get my legs under me, I couldn't - it even physically hurt to attempt to keep my legs under me.

He told me that our saddles should aid us, not hinder us. I couldn't, for the life of me, stay up in a functional two point, without collapsing back into my saddle, because I couldn't get myself to balance over my feet.

Now that I am in a new saddle, a Harry Dabbs Origional Event - I am put in a very comfortable position. I can get my legs under me without any hinderance. I can stay up in a 2 point position, balanced over my feet and remain up there through all 3 gaits. While yes, I still have to solidify my lower leg and strengthen them to remain being my posts - it isn't a fight or a struggle to do so.

I could not progress forward in my riding, I could not improve until I found a saddle that aided me, instead of hindering me.

Buying a saddle is a science - it isn't about "Oh it's a 17.5", so it'll fit me" - that's the absolute basics to choosing a saddle for yourself. There is also the twist, the flaps, the stirrup bar placement, the deepness of the seat, the shape of the cantle *square, round* and of course, the seat size. Every saddle is designed to fit a particular body type - what may work for me, wont work for you. What may work for you, wont work for me - etc, etc, etc. That is why it is very important to sit in as many saddles as you can, to find what fits you perfectly or as close to perfect - because, each "flaw" will hinder you and your progression of your riding....especially where jumping is applicable.

I could of just accepted the position that Wintec put me in, but I knew I wouldn't of been able to progress forward in my riding, or improve in my riding, until I got a saddle that worked with me, instead of against me.

See what I am saying?

SO - if your saddle isn't aiding you - you aren't aiding your horse. It isn't about having "perfect" equitation - it's about having functional equitation - so that you can stay out of your horses way, so that they can do their job as best as they can.
     
    05-10-2011, 02:31 PM
  #14
Started
Well said MIE!
     
    05-10-2011, 11:48 PM
  #15
Foal
I definitely agree with the all purpose saddles! They are good at working some for all disciplines, but terrible at working well in any! Lol Those aren't a good fit for anyone!
     
    05-11-2011, 12:05 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by olympustraining    
I definitely agree with the all purpose saddles! They are good at working some for all disciplines, but terrible at working well in any! Lol Those aren't a good fit for anyone!
omg yes.... I should sell my Caprilli AP and look to buy a used Caprilli CC instead. I haven't rushed it bc I have a CC and I just use the AP for anyone riding any of my other horses lol.
     
    05-11-2011, 04:19 PM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
omg yes.... I should sell my Caprilli AP and look to buy a used Caprilli CC instead. I haven't rushed it bc I have a CC and I just use the AP for anyone riding any of my other horses lol.

Yep! And the Caprilli CC is a good saddle. I like it and find it comparable to my Beval and Pessoa that I also ride in. One thing to know about any Bates/Wintec or any saddle with the 'CAIR' pannels is that you have to take care of the pannels and re-inflate them every few years.
     
    05-11-2011, 04:57 PM
  #18
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympustraining    
One thing to know about any Bates/Wintec or any saddle with the 'CAIR' pannels is that you have to take care of the pannels and re-inflate them every few years.
CAIR panels are sealed. They cannot be re-inflated. They can be replaced. They have a 5 year warranty, but should last longer than that. I need to sell my Bates CC sometime, but I'll keep the AP saddle...and if the CAIR dies, I'll probably just get the saddle stuffed. I don't dislike CAIR, but I"m not convinced it is God's gift to horses, either.

"A unique feature of the CAIRŪ Cushion System is that the Air Panels are unable to be adjusted, therefore eliminating any opportunity for human error, ultimately affecting performance.

Air is captured at atmospheric pressure in an open-celled foam and sealed in the Air Panel. Once the air panel is welded the open-celled foam becomes irrelevant, as it is the air trapped in the panel, which is doing the work...

...If the CAIRŪ Panels are punctured then they have to be replaced. A saddler can perform the simple procedure of replacing a CAIRŪ Panel for you."


CAIRŪ Cushion System : FAQs
     
    05-11-2011, 08:53 PM
  #19
Trained
^^ Exactly bsms.
     
    05-11-2011, 09:52 PM
  #20
Foal
Well yes, Bates claims that this is the case. But 100% of all the saddles I have owned with CAIR pannels (which is 2) plus all of the ones my clients (probably around 10 or so) have owned, have deflated and needed to be repaired/replaced. They don't last as long as they say unless you ride in them once a week. When being used everyday or in same cases multiple times each day - they do not hold up.
     

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