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post #111 of 117 Old 08-18-2010, 09:38 PM
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Maura- That was definitely one of the most informative posts on riding Hunters that has ever been posted on this forum! Thank you for taking the time to write all of that out.

Another thing to add on to what Maura has said about the kids at MIE's barn... I don't know what level these little girls are at, but I tell my beginner jumping kids to just sit still and let the horse do his job, not just b/c they're on hunters but because they're learning how to jump and they need to learn how to be still before they're solid enough to tell the horse what to do. Perhaps others will disagree. But when someone is first learning how to do a posting trot how much are they "riding"? They aren't. They're learning how to post. Then when you first learn how to canter, how much are you "riding" the canter? You aren't. When they get more solid they can do things like steer and post or balance the canter. I don't think learning to jump is all that different. Also, I don't think it's just hunters that should learn to leave their horse alone. I was eavesdropping on one of the best GP Jumpers I know school her kid and she said "get your work done in your corner and then you can just let the horse do his job".

Is this what causes people to learn to perch/pose? Maybe. Maybe they just keep jumping higher without turning into an "advanced" rider. Maybe there are a lot of coaches out there who learn what form is supposed to look like by looking at other kids at shows and matching them instead of reading Hunter Seat Equitation.
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Upnover, I think you made an interesting point about riders posing to "stay out of the horse's way". Of course, they are really interfering, by throwing off the horse's balance, leaning so far forward. My trainer tells me to stay out of the horse's way over the jump, but she means for me to stay centered and follow the horse's motion, not jump ahead. Even though it may not cost you in the show ring, posing is not correct riding and shouldn't be taught. If the rider is on top of the horse's shoulder, how can the horse properly use his hind end?
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post #113 of 117 Old 08-20-2010, 03:18 PM
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Upnover, I think you made an interesting point about riders posing to "stay out of the horse's way". Of course, they are really interfering, by throwing off the horse's balance, leaning so far forward. My trainer tells me to stay out of the horse's way over the jump, but she means for me to stay centered and follow the horse's motion, not jump ahead. Even though it may not cost you in the show ring, posing is not correct riding and shouldn't be taught. If the rider is on top of the horse's shoulder, how can the horse properly use his hind end?
Bigzee- i would say that there's a very very big difference between "staying out of the horse's way" and jumping ahead! In fact, jumping ahead is the complete opposite thing from staying out of the way! When I tell my kids to be still I mean stay over the center of the saddle, with the horse's center of gravity, without messing with their mouths, flopping on their backs, trying to do this or that. Find the right pace, find your rhythm, find your straight line, and then let the horse do his job. Not sure how far into thread you read, but my response was more towards MIE's, when she was describing a lesson she saw, not the picture of the posing girl in the original post.
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post #114 of 117 Old 08-21-2010, 10:26 PM
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Hey Velvet!

Well, I know that I am not digging my knuckles into my horses neck/crest, so I cannot be doing a Crest Release....but then I'm not really doing a "proper" Automatic either.

Releases are my downfall, seriously. My last Eventing Coach used to tease me, saying that I have the "Typical Eventers" release......which is non existant :P

I know that I don't need my hands to support my upper body when going over a fence, my lower body is pretty solid now where my lower leg can support my upper body...but I just never get the release. I think I have to solidify a few more points in my body before the release gets more "functional"

I try to tell myself to do a "Crest Release" but by time I am actually going over the fence....whoop...I forget what I was saying, and I just ride the fence.

Here's a very recent shot of my horse and I - I need more release.....but it is just not there...

You're doing a floating release.

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Bumping this one back up to the top as well!
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post #116 of 117 Old 04-27-2013, 09:17 PM
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After reading this I had to look through my photo album to see if I was a perched rider or a classical one. Lol

What I saw surprised me though. I was a perched rider for a long time. I didn't see one photo of myself in classical form until I came to the photos of me jumping my current horse Bagheera. When I used to jump him, he would pull rails if I didn't wait for him in the take off. He was the first horse I jumped that wasn't push button and actually had to be ridden to the fences. I couldn't lean up his neck or he'd take a rail down. Looking at the photos, I find it amazing that he changed my posture over fences rather then anyone telling me. Thank you Bagheera! Lol
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Here are more critiques made by George Morris
Jumping Clinic Classics: A Rising Professional from Practical Horsmean | EquiSearch.com
Jumping Clinic Extra from Practical Horseman | EquiSearch.com
Jumping Clinic Classics: Correct, Except the Turnout from Practical Horseman | EquiSearch.com

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