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    04-24-2009, 08:21 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by IrishRider    
I so agree with this. To take it a step further, a lady in my division at the show I competed in a couple of weekends ago, fell off of her horse while doing a course. I mean flew off! The horse went tearing through the ring and they went out of the ring separately. That lady still pinned 3rd out of 5 people. I thought if you fall off you are out but apparently not. Come to find out, the judge for that day was from the same barn as that lady. Talk about politics.
Sometimes they don't want to exclude because some people r in it for points and have to have a certain number to validate.
     
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    04-24-2009, 09:01 PM
  #22
Weanling
That doesnt matter Trissacar. There are rules for shows... and strict ones at that. If a judge fails to penalize someone just because they are from the same barn, than that is almost the same as cheating. Points or no points.
     
    04-24-2009, 09:10 PM
  #23
Trained
Yeah I think we need to start being nicer to people who need more points to qualify for something. The lady that fell of her horse should have placed higher.
     
    04-24-2009, 09:23 PM
  #24
Started
I'm guessing that was said with just a hint of sarcasm, lol
     
    04-24-2009, 09:29 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by eventnwithwinston    
That doesnt matter Trissacar. There are rules for shows... and strict ones at that. If a judge fails to penalize someone just because they are from the same barn, than that is almost the same as cheating. Points or no points.
I know it doesn't but she asked why I told her a reason why they did it.
     
    04-24-2009, 09:30 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Yeah I think we need to start being nicer to people who need more points to qualify for something. The lady that fell of her horse should have placed higher.
I didn't say I approved! I was stating a fact!
Really?!
     
    04-24-2009, 09:37 PM
  #27
Trained
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Originally Posted by 1dog3cats17rodents    
I'm guessing that was said with just a hint of sarcasm, lol
Nooo None at all!
As a judge myself I base my scores on who needs points to qualify, just to be nice.
     
    04-24-2009, 10:52 PM
  #28
Started
When I was taking lessons 15 years ago (God, I'm old!) our teacher wanted us to do the perching/crest release type of jumping. She said it was because pressing your hands into the horse's neck was the only way to make sure you wouldn't catch them in the mouth.

It's just a different philosophy I guess... Although I think you're less likely to fall off doing it the classical way because it keeps you centered over the horse. That's the way I jumped - Not really on purpose, it was just what my body wanted to do. My teacher harped at me about it, so I started opening my hands in the air so the horse could take more rein if they needed it and that seemed to satisfy her.
     
    04-25-2009, 02:39 AM
  #29
Green Broke
Was the show affiliated with USEF? I believe according to USEF rules if a rider comes off they are supposed to be disqualified. Why she would place above a rider who completed the course is beyond me. Sounds like a pretty big mistake on the judge's part if you ask me! Unless you're talking about the jumper ring. If you fall off in the jump off your clear first round still counts but you don't get any credit for being in the jump off and will place below anyone who completed it.

I'm also almost positive that according to USEF there must be 3 in a class in order for it to make and for the points to qualify, but it is up to the show's discretion to cancel the class if there is less then 3. If there were 5 in the class it should have been fine for points. Shows that adhere to USEF's rules I'm pretty sure don't just give out points to be nice for those who are trying to qualify. Rules are rules and must be followed for the organization and show committee to continue with any kind of quality.

Just curious, how do you describe "politics" when it comes to judging? At A shows I usually see more consistent and quality judging as the they are more qualified then schooling show judges. At the schooling shows I don't really see a lot of politics either but the judges are usually less qualified and sometimes make some weird decisions that I didn't always agree with. But then again our horse show committee president is very adament about our judges coming from out of state and have little or no local ties.
     
    04-25-2009, 02:50 AM
  #30
Green Broke
Back to the original post.... do you think poor form is something new or has "jumping ahead" always been an issue? I honestly don't know. I do know that there are trends in the history of jumping. Way back in the day they used to not even break over the fence until Bert DeNemethy realized that getting into a half seat was remarkably more effective. Perhaps we've taken this half seat a little too far and have gotten sloppy. Perhaps we've gotten so focused on being 'pretty' that we've forgotten how to be effective. Don't know.

There was a fantastic article several months (maybe last year?) in PH about how hunter riders have gotten lax in their skills, mainly due to the simplicity of the typical courses. -which is a large reason why GM is a huge advocate in getting hunter derbies started, to teach hunters how to ride effectively again!
     

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