Anyways... again back to the OP! I don't have an answer or really even much of an opinion of what is causing a lax of proper position
I dont really have any answers either, just opinions. But that's what makes this place great, is that we can discuss our thoughts.
, but my question is, how much is 'acceptable' in the world of bad habits? When someone first starts off riding their position will not be perfect and you can't expect it to. It takes time, knowledge, and strength to improve. When a person starts jumping their jumping position will not be perfect. Even a person who did not start too early.
I agree, but I feel that it would be that much more strong, if our coaches relaly spend time with their students establishing strength and functionallity doing flat work, trot poles, cavaletti's and reinless lunge line work before they allow their students to go over fences.
What bothers me are the 3'6 medal riders out there who are still jumping ahead. At that height you need to be over the middle of your horse! Keep in mind also that everybody develops bad habits here and there. Hopefully they take the time to fix them. GM frequently tells people to go back to crossbars to work on a problem, as his trainer was constantly doing that to him. In fact I've always been known to have an excellent position but a bit ago the kids at the barn took some pictures of me jumping, and I was ahead! I was a little horrified (esp since they posted them on facebook, yuck!) and wondered if perhaps it was a bad distance. A few weeks after that I saw another picture of me, jumping ahead! I took off my stirrups and worked on a lot of crossbars. I was very pleased to see a video of me at a show last week where I stayed over my horse at each fence. Trainers cannot be afraid to drop the height periodically and work on basics.
Yes, bad habits are picked up, if our coaches are not there to fix them, or if they don't have an educated eye to correct the issue before it gets worse.
At least you see the issue and are willing to correct it.
BUT allot of riders firmly believe - because they aren't being taught properly - is that the bigger the fence, means that they are a better rider. Which is totally incorect.
Again, I would rather see a rider go over an x rail with impecable, solid, functional form - than seeing someone going over a 3'0" fence in a medal class with unfunctional, un solid form.
I'd have to disagree with the blanket statement that all trainers are in it for the money.
Don't misinterpret me, of course there are coaches out there who do care. But sadly, majority of the cases at low levels - the coaches do not. OR as you said, have no clue.
Again - remeber the poor cycle that occurs of uneducated coaches turning out uneducated riders. Those uneducated riders, become the next generation of uneducaed coaches - and recycles.
I had a student who I kept in flat lessons for 3 years before I felt that she was ready to jump.
Good for you and that is fabulous!
Her parent's friends who had kids who rode were telling them that they should move barns because I wasn't doing my job. Now she's jumping securely and winning and her parents can see the difference between our barn and others.
THAT is the reason why many coaches just would rather get the weekly income of money for lessons, than taking it slow and progressively with their students. So that they can get that $$ in their pocket. They don't want to loose the clientel - so therefore they give what is wanted.
JUMPING! I JUMP SO THEREFORE I AM.
Also, you can hound and hound a kid to, say, put their heels down, do every exercise possible to help them, work with them privately, threaten them, explain why heels are so important but when it comes down to it, it's up to them to progress.
I agree as well. And not every fence is going to give us what we want. That is the same as fiddling *I'm a fiddler* I can be shown how to do a double stop or hammer downs, but it is up to myself to apply myself and practice.
Not every kid naturally puts their heels down and not every student naturally stays over the middle of their saddle. Should they move up if they don't have the basics? NO!
I agree as well, but I do believe that the Coaches such as yourself, really need to stick to their guns and educate their students as to how and why. To not permitt climbing the ladder until they've proven themselves.
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