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    05-19-2009, 07:30 AM
I have noticed that soooooo many people jump ahead and just over jump jumps!! (i'm still getting out of the habit myself). Especially in my lessons. My instructer keeps telling what they have to do to fix it but no-one seems to listen. I finally understood the whole "letting the horse close ur hip angle" thing and yesterdays lesson was my best ever! :) my mum took videos and I noticed a BIG difference from my previous videos and i'm soo happy!
I've also noticed on a popular website here in finland (irc-galleria) where you post pics that lots of people who had jumping pics had the kind of form the OP posted. Lying on the horses neck/jumping ahead/over-jumping. :/
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    05-19-2009, 09:53 AM
I am glad you had that light bulb moment! Thanks for posting your experience!

I agree, the form we are seeing in the show ring today, has merged into a "world of it's own" far from what George Morris wanted when he started Hunters here in North America.

Thanks for bringing this discussion back up :)
    05-19-2009, 12:09 PM
Haha :) welcome
    08-27-2009, 09:08 AM
Just bumping this back up.
    08-27-2009, 05:09 PM
Green Broke
Point I attempted to prove a while ago.

Great thread.
    08-27-2009, 08:13 PM
How bad is it that I remeber both of those articles? Lol. I actually have the article and picture of the jumper in the second pic on my wall as a reminder of "What would George Morris say?"
    08-27-2009, 09:40 PM
You know, this issue of jumping style really has come to a head for me. I live in the middle of no where and the only trainer in my area can turn out nice horses, but I completely disagree with his equitation philosophies. I have put up with it for a while, but as the fences are going up, I'm feeling unsafe because of the "perching" he teaches to an extreme. I was watching a couple of videos of me riding a few months back and looking at the fences he was happy with and what he was not, and my opinion was exactly opposite. The ONLY fence that I liked he thought I was left horribly behind on and was punishing the horse. If you are not AHEAD of the motion, he gets upset. Here are two examples

Fence he was happy with is first, the fence I got yelled out for was second.
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    08-27-2009, 09:50 PM
(Sorry this is in two posts). I was actually wondering if my local trainer's way of riding was the new style, as he has numerous students winning at the shows in the Hunters. (I have been out of showing for 5 years and am just getting back into it.) I went and took a couple of lessons with another trainer that is 3+hrs from me but I highly respect, and he had me riding much closer to the more classic style. I have to say that with the classic style, and opening my hip angle more, I feel much more relaxed and balanced coming to the fence, and went from 2'3" fences seeming huge to 3' feeling like nothing in less than an hour with a couple of simple form changes.

At the local trainers

At the other trainers
Now I am no where near where he wanted me to be, but in one hour I felt like I was actually riding, not jst letting the horse carry me around the arena. I also felt like if something went wrong I could do something to fix it. With the other trainer, I feel like the horse is in control and I have no way to fix things.

Now if I can only find a trainer closer to me that teaches the classic style
    08-27-2009, 10:12 PM
Yay for my trainer :) she is a strong GM follower.
    08-28-2009, 06:58 PM
Sandsarita - I am sorry for your dillema and my heart goes out to you for your situation. I have to say, that I am super proud of you for branching out and trying a different approach to riding under a different coach, and I am super pleased that you were able to not only see the difference, understand the difference, but also to feel the difference.

This picture here, you are greatly insecure and if your Coach was happy with that - oh my goodness gracious:

This one is 99% better than the first, and if you got yelled at for this, oh my goodness gracious.

You are very close to the Classical Millitary Style and far much more functional here, than you were in the 1st. Your heels are anchoring you, your leg at at the girth, your seat is not in the saddle, while yet freeing your horses back, you are behind your horse and over his center of gravity, your back has a bit of a roach to it, but so what - you are giving a nice relase and you are looking up and, other than just a smidge of tweaks - you are pretty much dead on. I give you great praises for this one:


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