Getting into two point too early....pointers needed

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    11-01-2009, 12:17 AM
Getting into two point too early....pointers needed

Hello all!

Rocky and I have just started jumping. We've been at it for about 4 months now and we're up to 2'3'' (yay!!!). Anyway, my biggest problem right now is wanting to get into two point too early. I have great position about 4 or 5 strides out but once I get two or three strides out, I panic and get into two point too early. Of course, that only confuses him and we've had a few refusals because of it. Do you experienced jumpers have any tips or tricks for how to help me sit back and wait until the jump to go all the way forward?
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    11-01-2009, 12:19 AM
Start doing some grid work, it forces you to not get ahead
    11-01-2009, 12:25 AM
Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
start doing some grid work, it forces you to not get ahead
what do you mean by grid work? I've just started so I don't know all the terms yet. Do you mean ground poles followed by a jump? Lol, that's the only grid looking thing I could think of
    11-01-2009, 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by RiddlesDarkAngel5    
what do you mean by grid work? I've just started so I don't know all the terms yet. Do you mean ground poles followed by a jump? Lol, that's the only grid looking thing I could think of

Bounces and jumps that have a 1-3 strides in between.
    11-01-2009, 12:12 PM
While you're still in your good position 5 strides out, pick out a spot in the distance to focus on, and keep you eyes soft but on it. Focus on keeping that object on the same level on the horizon as you jump, so that you're not coming up into 2 point so much as your horse is coming up to you as he jumps.

Your relative upper body position in the air should not change as you jump. Watch some video of good jumpers. (good luck finding some these days) Anyway, watch the upper bodies of the good ones. They stay relatively still as their horses jump. They are simply staying anchored in their lower leg and soft in their hips to allow for a fluid jump. If I find any textbook jumps, I'll repost.
    11-01-2009, 12:17 PM
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Myboypuck has some helpful tips. Another thing that works for me is to close my eyes... I line my horse up and when I get to the point where I really want to go into to point... I close my eyes and I let him pick his spot. Once you get yourself to where you can wait for him then you can start learning to pick your spots.

Right now if you are going into 2-point early, you are basically trying to pick your spot and jump for him. Does that make sense?
    11-01-2009, 12:25 PM
First of all, I want to stand up and applaud you for putting the fault on yourself for your refusals, instead of putting the blame on your horse. That my friend, makes a great rider!

Ok, so we have to ask "Why does one get into 2 point too early?"

The answer is - The rider is anticipating the fence. The jump of their horse.

So, again, another question "Why is the rider anticipating the fence?" Because the rider is focused on what is infront of them, instead of what is underneith them.

So, what is it that you are doing when you get about 3 strides out? You are staring at the fence. Thinking about the take off point, focused on the jump - and you totally forgot about your horse, whom is the most important factor to the equation........right?

The simple answer is - stop looking at the fence. Stop focusing on what is infront of you and start focusing on what is under you - but that is much easier said than done.

The cure - rhythm. Focus on your horse. Focus on your horses rhtyhm. Start trusting your horse.

There are 2 factors here. 1) Yourself, the Rider 2) Your horse, your partner. You cannot do this sport without him, he cannot do it without you.

The least important in this picture, is the fence. Remember - Jumping is Dressage, with Speed Bumps.

Would you be anticipating your horses movement while doing a dressage test? No. So why are you doing this when there is a fence infront of you? You trust your horse enough to get you to the fence, but why aren't you trusting your horse enough to do his job?

Because you aren't being taught properly. Your coach has allowed holes in your training by allowing you to go over fences before you are prepared.

Grid work isn't going to help you out here at this point in time. What will? Lunge Line work, with no reins.

What your coach needs to do, right now - is put you on a Lunge Line, take away your reins and FORCE you to focus on your seat, focus on your legs and focus on your horses rhythm - and putting the 3 together.

What Coaches have done with me, works phenominally well.

What you want to do, is start out at the trot. Work on your balance, work on your seat and legs to get the rhythm you desire. Work on focusing on your horses movement.

You learn to focus on what is under you first. How to work together.

Then, have your coach put trot poles on the ground in a star pattern. *4 poles set in the circle you are riding on*

Work on rhythm. Trot only. And work on allowing your horses movement, to move you out of your saddle and put you where you need to be, to go over the trot pole.

Focus on what is under you - not ahead of you. Rhythm, feel.

Once you've established the task here, move into canter. Continue to work on focusing on what is under you and allow your horses movement to manipulate your position.

Work on sitting, work on your seat and legs. Work on staying put until your horse forces you to move.

When you've accomplished not moving until your horses movement puts you where you need to be - move to cavaletti's. Trot first. Same idea.

Focus on what is under you, not infront of you. When you've accomplished this at the trot, move to the canter.

This exercise forces you to work on you and your horse. The fence is not the important factor here - your horse is.

You should not move, until your horse moves you.
    11-01-2009, 03:54 PM
Don't put yourself in the two-point position. Just keep your lower legs firmly to the side of your horse and when he jumps, it will lift your bum out of the saddle naturally. Give a release, it all happens really naturally, hard to explain... but I think you will see improvement
    11-01-2009, 05:37 PM
Just wanted to add that I don't think that it will all happen over time/naturally. I have a horrid release (a.k.a. I hardly have any release at all :S) and it's definitely not something that is natural for me. Some of it may just happen, but you still need to work at it to make things better. I agree with MIEventer- lunge line and cavalettis are definitely going to help. It sounds like you may have rushed into jumping a little too soon. Do more smaller jumps until you don't anticipate the jump. I didn't jump 2'3" until this summer, when I had been taking formal jumping lessons for about six months. There's no need to rush into things; take everything slowly and make sure that you are almost absolutely perfect before moving up .
    11-01-2009, 05:49 PM
I have a horrid release (a.k.a. I hardly have any release at all :S)
AH HA HA! Me too! My Coach says I have a "Typical Eventers Release" which means - non existant.

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