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Is this a good deal??? for a Dutch Warmblood MARE? HELP!!!

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#1 ·
here is the info...... and pictures I offered her $15,000 is this a good price for her??

Dutch Warmblood
Thoroughbred


Ava is the most gorgeous hard-working horse out there! Will jump anything, been in training her whole life, flying lead changes, walk, trot, canter this girl can do all of this flawlessly and with any rider. Beautiful conformation, gorgeous flawless movements. In-Hand winner as a 2yr old! Ready for her baby greens now! She'll win anyone blue ribbons in any event: Hunt, Eq, Jumpers! Amzing potential, can already jump the 4'+ with ease and grace. Schooling 4'6"-4'9" at home. Sire is Just the Best, out of Best of Luck. ISP Award for Premium Filly 2003, score of 8.0! Wow! Almost 6 months old then! Has the power, scope, and speed for the international jumper! Will take anyone as far as they want to go in their riding career! This girl really has it all: Talent, Personality, and Brains! Priced to sell, negotiable to good home. She is a once-in-a lifetime horse, will take any rider to the Grand Prix and leave as Champion!

 
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#2 ·
How old is she? How tall is she? What is her pedigree? Without knowing these things, it's pretty hard to give an accurate price estimation.
If she's young and jumping that high, it's not good. If she's young and is doing flying changes, jumping, etc, that's not good either; a young horse can only take so much, and then they burn out.
"Been working her whole life" - this scares me. A horse needs time to just be a horse!
That is a terrible picture. It doesn't show off her tuck or anything - it just shows that the rider got left behind and isn't letting the mare use her head and neck to jump. I don't know why they'd use this picture as a sale ad picture... other than the fact that she's shiney? Maybe she's a handful and they have to hold her back?
In all honesty, Grand Prix horses don't sell for $15,000... if she's really a GP prospect, her price tag would be much higher.
She's flashy, sure, she's shiney as well... but the ad and the picture aren't impressing me. Maybe if you could get the owner to send you a conformation picture (squared up, no saddle) I could give you a better critique, this is just my initial reaction from this picture and ad...
 
#3 ·
she is 5 years old.. here is her pedigree..... and picture up close






Sire: Just the Best WPN Best of Luck WPN Lucky Boy Compromise
Sejane
Ilonka WPN Koridon
Charmante WPN
Timely Persuasion Close Watch Young Emperor
Demree
Orohena Furyvan
Lady Somerset
Dam: Apotheka Del Erin Erins Isle Busted
Chemise
Honey Island Lt. Stevens
Avalanche Lily
Every Sundae Honest Pleasure What a Pleasure
Tularia
Chocolate Only Nodouble
Vanilla
 
#5 ·
JustDressageIt said:
If she's young and jumping that high, it's not good. If she's young and is doing flying changes, jumping, etc, that's not good either; a young horse can only take so much, and then they burn out.
"Been working her whole life" - this scares me.
Agreed, agreed, agreed. Especially at only 5 years old. She could have joint/tendon issues later in life because it sounds like they started jumping her very early.

If you want a horse to work with and show for a couple years and then (hopefully) sell at a profit, she might be good. She's quite the looker and it sounds like she has some bragging rights as a 2 year old. Anything long term though...I'd probably keep shopping.
 
#6 ·
she said this about the horse... i asked about the joint thing like you guys mentioned

Nope she hasn't been jumping that long I had a vet check she passed

she's been on a joint supplement her whole life
And good nutrition all adds up

and she says her vet checked out her joints and said she wont have any problems like that.. she was also never raced
 
#7 ·
she said this about the horse... i asked about the joint thing like you guys mentioned

Nope she hasn't been jumping that long I had a vet check she passed

she's been on a joint supplement her whole life
And good nutrition all adds up

and she says her vet checked out her joints and said she wont have any problems like that.. she was also never raced
Why has she been on joint supplements her whole life? Are they expecting her to have problems? Sure her vet says shes fine... but what if your vet checks her, will they say something different? And of course she was never raced, shes half warmblood!!
I would say pass, the ad is sketchy and the owner sounds like a flake.
 
#8 ·
Stepher said:
Why has she been on joint supplements her whole life? Are they expecting her to have problems?
Actually, it's somewhat common to give joint supplements for maintenance to avoid joint issues later on, especially on the larger or performance horses more prone to them. Getting your own prepurchase exam with xrays should help clarify things a lot of soundness issues.

I'd be more concerned about how quickly they've begun jumping her at 4"6-4"9! Why in the world is she schooling that high when she's just now "ready" for the baby greens... which are 2'6! (also means she's never been shown over fences) My biggest concern is, what is her mental status now? I've seen a lot of horses that have been jumped too high too soon lose their confidence and need to be "restarted" over fences. She might be just fine. And if you buy her and keep her over the smaller stuff she might be a steal. It's hard to evaluate a price as a hunter without seeing her move. A 5 y/o baby green with a lead change usually will start at about $15,000 if it's a decent mover (more if it's a hack winner). With one that has the potential for hte upper level jumpers, $15,000 is a little low. There's a reason she's priced that low. Also question what "lead change" means. I've found that's the most vague description in the book. :) It can mean anything from an auto change to "we've gotten them once or twice".
 
#11 ·
upnover said:
I'd be more concerned about how quickly they've begun jumping her at 4"6-4"9! Why in the world is she schooling that high when she's just now "ready" for the baby greens... which are 2'6!

My biggest concern is, what is her mental status now? I've seen a lot of horses that have been jumped too high too soon lose their confidence and need to be "restarted" over fences.

With one that has the potential for hte upper level jumpers, $15,000 is a little low.
Agreed, agreed agreed.

She's much too young to be jumping that high. What is it with people pushing young horses this much??
 
#12 ·
JustDressageIt said:
upnover said:
I'd be more concerned about how quickly they've begun jumping her at 4"6-4"9! Why in the world is she schooling that high when she's just now "ready" for the baby greens... which are 2'6!

My biggest concern is, what is her mental status now? I've seen a lot of horses that have been jumped too high too soon lose their confidence and need to be "restarted" over fences.

With one that has the potential for hte upper level jumpers, $15,000 is a little low.
Agreed, agreed agreed.

She's much too young to be jumping that high. What is it with people pushing young horses this much??
They have a video on their site of a 4 year old jumping around that height, too.

A friend of mine bought a large pony that was over jumped when he was younger, so she can only jump him a certain height and only once or twice a week.
 
#13 ·
Man, they have four lengthy videos of her and they're all just jump, jump, jump! Makes me wonder if she's lacking the basics in flatwork. And that standing martingale just looks so uncomfortable for her!

And come on, if you want to sell a horse for $40K, invest in a tripod so your videos don't look like they were taken in a tornado!!
 
#15 ·
all I want is a horse I can ride and have fun on a big horse..that likes to jump.. what questions can I ask her so I can post them here...

here is some pictures of me on my old horse he is a 17.2 hand thoroughbred I loved him his name was shorty!! shorty kind of reminds me of her.





 
#16 ·
bowtiegoddess said:
all I want is a horse I can ride and have fun on a big horse..that likes to jump.. what questions can I ask her so I can post them here...

here is some pictures of me on my old horse he is a 17.2 hand thoroughbred I loved him his name was shorty!! shorty kind of reminds me of her.





Are you planning on showing in the Grand Prix?? I mean, if you just want something for fun, why spend $15,000? You can get a horse that can jump for way less than that.
 
#17 ·
Equina said:
And that standing martingale just looks so uncomfortable for her! quote]

yea, they keep that on her so her neck doesn't go straight up in the air as she reeeeally wants it to...

Yikes, this horse is NOT a pretty jumper. It has learned to use it's body well (it has to to be able to get over the bigger fences with her knees hanging so low) but she hasn't learned how to raise her knees evenly and tuck her lower legs in. It's also not a hunter. It's a jumper. Possibly a very talented one if it can learn to jump well. So why are they asking 40K for her online, but offering her to you for only 15? Unless she's a close personal friend and trying to do you a favor, there's a reason she's priced so low (and you can't believe "i just want to sell her"). I wonder if someone came and did a prepurchase and found something major that she's not telling you about. Maybe she's just a really difficult horse to ride and they haven't been able to find a buyer. I don't know. If she xrays well and you have a great time riding her, you got a fantastic deal! I actually kind of like her. She looks like she could be difficult and she'll take some work (like taking the jumps down several notches and working on her confidence) but she looks like a really fun prospect that could be very competitive later on.

Questions:

how long has she been jumping?
why haven't you shown her over fences yet?
what kind of bit are you using on her?
has she had any soundness issues?
has she had any xrays taken previously?
is she on any supplements?


I would also suggest drawing blood for a drug test when you do a prepurchase.
 
#19 ·
Welcome to the world of jumping!!

Horses 3years and up all regularly jump huge from a young age....hence you never see an old grand prix horse! They are all nakered by the age of 16yrs!

Most jump owners/yards feed balancers, joint supplements, and anything else they can think of to aid the horse. Its something they seem to do! X-rays will tell you more.
The problem is she can jump big so all they wana do is jump big...this doesnt mean that she has been jumped big all the time it just means that they wana show that off.

If you want her girl, then make sure you do your homework and get those x-rays, id also recomend a full body bone scan as that will show up any joint/muscle body problems well before they happen!

Shes stunning! Just too keen to a fence and hasnt been told how to jump properly! Jump excercises will get her to wait for the fence to come to her, to make the correct shape and use herself correctly! All of this can be done! She is just your typical 5year old that has been jumped, way too keen! This doesnt make her a problem! Just means she needs to go hacking and get out and about and enjoy herself instead of expecting to jump all the time!

Elz xx
 
#20 ·
while she looks lovely and like she might have some potential i would steer clear of her. especially at the asking price of $40000 that it says on the ad for her :?

if i was looking for a grand prix type horse i wouldnt even think about getting one who is jumping 4' at 5 years old. how old was the horse when it started jumping?? :shock: joint supplements or not this isnt good. joint supplements dont fuse young bones.

personally i would say this horse is close to ruined. it appears she can do nothing but jump. if you are trying to sell a horse as a jumper you also have to be able to show that it has knowledge of at least dressage basics but it doesnt appear to me that she even has this. it seems all focus has been on jumping which is very bad especially at her age. without flatwork basics the horse cant properly jump the jumps/ if she makes it over its all her doing not the rider. eventing horses arent reaching their peak of jumping until between 10-14 on average these days and thats a good age. jumping 4ft now...terrible

i would ask how many other things are not kosher with these people. anyone who is jumping 4ft oxers while giving their horse no release must no very little to nothing about jumping. this is another warning sign. every jump the rider kept his hands in the same place as riding on the flat. i cringed every time the poor horse went over a jump.

i would suggest that you keep looking. if you arent looking at a grand prix prospect then $40000 is a lot to spend for a horse like this. if you want a big, cruisey potential jumper you could always try a tb :) whichever way i would steer clear of this lovely yet over priced horse
 
#21 ·
Honestly, I think she is not a very pretty jumper and that $15k is a lot for her. From seeing your other post and now this one, I really think you are not at all looking at the right horses and that you really need to figure out what you want to do and consider your riding level, before you just go off and spend all kind of money on horses who are not in any way right for you, so that you can have fun riding.
 
#22 ·
Sorry no offence but should you really be considering a 5yr old!! Whats wrong with a nice allrounder!! odviously something with a nice jump but I just feel like your going to dig yourself a hole here!! Your going to end up with something you are not going to be able to handle which wouldn't be fair on the horse or you!!
 
#24 ·
I agree that a horse jumping 4' at 5 years old is way too young. I don't understand why she has always had a joint supplement. In my opinion, horses at that age DO NOT need one! She's very pretty yes, but I agree that she is probably not the right horse for you. From the sounds of it, if she is that eager to jump, she is probably hotheaded and just excited at that age. Also, from the jumping pic you showed, she doesn't seem to have the correct form going over the fence. It looks like she's over-jumping. From the pics, it doesn't look like the rider even put jumping boots on her to protect her legs. The description seems a bit far-fetched and not completely honest to me. I also agree about joint problems later. Whatever you decide, make sure that you spend time with this horse before you make your decision. Ride her and spend stall time with her, but I believe you can find something more suitable and for a much more affordable price!
 
#25 ·
my friend jumped her 2 year old over up to 3' so i mean her horse is fine and he is a little pony ..........
 
#26 ·
ISP Award for Premium Filly 2003, score of 8.0! Wow! Almost 6 months old then!
Just thought this was interesting, did you copy this directly from the ad? If so then I make her out to be 8, not 5. Are they being honest about her age? If she is actually 8 as this comment suggests then why hasn't she been shown over fences? They say 'ready for baby greens' interesting that she is schooling 4'9 at home but only ready for the beginner classes.

Agreed that if she is 5 she is far too young to be jumping such big jumps although I am not convinced that she is only 5.

Sounds fishy to me!
 
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