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        05-06-2009, 04:20 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Is there riding at a Test Center?
    No. It is your teaching ability and knowledge which are being evaluated.
    So to be certified...all you have to do is live by the mantra...do what I say not what I do. You don't actually have to be a good rider to teach good riding...I think there's something wrong with that.

    Maybe Im just being grouchy.
         
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        05-06-2009, 04:37 PM
      #12
    Foal
    I see a rider whose fallen on her horses neck and is using her hands as a means to support her body. She has fallen way too far forward, especially judging that this jump isn't that high. He horse seems to be jumping flat, as a result.

    I don't see much of an automatic release here, I see more of a crest release.
    I'd always known an automatic release to be that of the type of release show jumpers use, where your arms stay more in line with the line to the bit, and are more placed along the sides of the horses neck.
    Not on their crest for support.

    Just my two cents. That is what I see. She does have nice foundation with her legs, although I'm afraid she's not using them like she should be. She is much too forward, and off balanced.
         
        05-06-2009, 04:41 PM
      #13
    Foal
    A True/False, multiple choice written exam to become "certified"...not a riding test.

    To me it doesn't look like she is jumping 3'6...so how could she teach it? I don't know. After looking at her leg again...I guess you could call it solid...but I still think she looks like her feet are sprawled and she is doing the "neck humper" pose.[/quote]

    That's really bizare in the UK to become a qualified teacher there are 4 parts for the lowest level instructor (me) you do you stage 1,2, and 3 riding and care and your PTT (preliminary teaching exam) then 350 hours teaching at a BHS approved yard in your stage 3 riding you ride 2 horses on the flat schooling to improve their way of going, 1 horse showjumping jump a grid 1st then over a course of showjumps at 1.00 metre then you ride another horse x~country which varies in height but where I took it was 90cm, now as I said I don't think i'm very good which comes from having 2 sisters that compeate FEI level I find I put alot of pressure on myself to improve and become a better rider..
         
        05-06-2009, 07:47 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Being a good rider and being a good instructor are not directly related.

    Our NSW mounted games coach has coached the NSW junior MG team to wins the entire time he has been coaching. BUT he only started riding Mounted Games about a year ago and is only just beggining to be any good!

    A brilliant rider may be horrible at teaching. And a crappy rider may be a fantastic teacher. Seeing faults and creating imrpovement in others is totally different than doing it for yourself.
         
        05-06-2009, 10:21 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    First of all, I've heard from so many trainers, barn owners, etc etc that ARIA and like organizations are nothing but a waste of money because you basically just pay to have a certificate. 1) you don't have to be that good to be approved. 2) they don't do anything to improve the quality of instruction. It's basically, a place to pay for a piece of paper. In fact, I've been to their website and there is ONE trainer in my entire state that's "Certified". And she's a joke. None of the incredible, nationally known, even grand prix level (riding AND teaching at grand prix level) trainers are on the list.

    No, her form isn't perfect. But it isn't horrible and it's functional. Just because you're a trainer doesn't meant that 100% of all of your jumps are perfectly done. I'm often complimented on my form over fences but kids at the barn have taken shots of me that I'm not proud of! Plus it's hard as a trainer to continue to have impeccable equitation. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to pick up a few sloppy habits here and there without eyes on the ground. I know very very few trainers who have the luxury of someone watch and coach them. Not saying it's ok to be sloppy, but still.

    Plus, just because she's not jumping 3"6 in this picture doesn't mean she can't do it or teach it. I can jump 3"6 but the majority of the pictures of me jumping are at shows where I'm competing at 2"3 or 2"6. 95% of what I jump are either ponies or green horses and I don't have a lot of pictures of me jumping anything else. When you're a trainer you don't jump for yourself anymore, you jump what's best for the horse you're on and sometimes that's a lot lower what your capabilities.

    George Morris says that you should never teach more then what you've done yourself. Either do yourself now, or HAVE DONE in the past. I personally think it would be very difficult to teach if I didn't ride regularly. But I know an older trainer who basically runs the rated show scene in her part of the state, who's well into her 60's, walks with a limp and doesn't ride anymore. Her clients are EXTREMELY educated, functional and beautiful riders. If I was looking for a trainer I'd go to her in a heartbeat. I have a friend who starting at 4 y/o was showing (and winning) and Pony Finals, Devon, Indoors, etc etc. At 8, people were paying her to break ponies for them. By high school she was doing the Level 5 and 6 Jumpers (which is just under grand prix). She is an incredible rider. She has an impeccable eye for a distance. She can get a horse to do anything happily. But she is a terrible trainer. She has a lot of knowledge but can't teach it well and absolutely no eye for a rider! She can't look at a rider and tell what's really going on and how to fix it. It's weird. Her students don't ride well. I wouldn't go to her to teach me.

    Anyways, I could go on and on. I guess I have a lot of opinions about this, haha, but i'll stop now!
         
        05-06-2009, 10:36 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by steff    
    A True/False, multiple choice written exam to become "certified"...not a riding test.

    To me it doesn't look like she is jumping 3'6...so how could she teach it? I don't know. After looking at her leg again...I guess you could call it solid...but I still think she looks like her feet are sprawled and she is doing the "neck humper" pose.
    Thats really bizare in the UK to become a qualified teacher there are 4 parts for the lowest level instructor (me) you do you stage 1,2, and 3 riding and care and your PTT (preliminary teaching exam) then 350 hours teaching at a BHS approved yard in your stage 3 riding you ride 2 horses on the flat schooling to improve their way of going, 1 horse showjumping jump a grid 1st then over a course of showjumps at 1.00 metre then you ride another horse x~country which varies in height but where I took it was 90cm, now as I said I don't think i'm very good which comes from having 2 sisters that compeate FEI level I find I put alot of pressure on myself to improve and become a better rider..[/quote]
    Wow! Who are your sisiters?
         
        05-07-2009, 08:21 AM
      #17
    Yearling
    I sort of feel sorry for her getting critiqued on here w/o her being the one posting. There are so many possibilites. First off the standing martingale is very loose and not impeding the horse's ability to jump. Her basic position isn't bad and perhaps she had one bad jump and someone snapped the moment. Also its very true great teachers may not be as good as riders and vice versa. Looks like she is very short and that particular shot she is jumping a pony. Its interesting for discussion but w/o the person in the photo explaining and asking for critique I withhold judgement. :)
         
        05-07-2009, 09:06 AM
      #18
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lovemyponies    
    I sort of feel sorry for her getting critiqued on here w/o her being the one posting.
    Its a published photo in a magazine and IMO open for peer review.
         
        05-07-2009, 11:18 AM
      #19
    Trained
    Great discussion everyone!

    And I agree with you hotreddun.
         
        05-08-2009, 07:32 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    Well its an interesting subject but at the same time I think even though its in a magazine its not really a complete critique w/o the person in question being able to give some insight to the actual moment the pic was shot. Just my opinion. Actually if you go with the idea that it was in a magazine then you could also say that anything posted on youtube made public is also game for critique. A little different but not a lot. She may not have a perfect position but be a great instructor as has been noted on here. For all we know that is an old photo tht someone found in a magazine archive and she was not happy with it. Who knows? And how high can she jump? We don't really know. Just my opinion.
         

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