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post #1 of 25 Old 08-22-2011, 07:03 PM Thread Starter
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Is he doubting himself, or can he really not do it?

So I've been teaching my 14 y/o QH to jump hunters, and he did AMAZING! We've shown up to 2'3. We started jumping in July of 2010, and he did great, and then during his first show this year (we only did Hunter Hack) he had nerves and I ended up falling twice at the show when he refused. After that, we schooled for about a month straight then went to a show and placed 1st in crossrails! So now, I'm at home schooling some more, hoping to be able to show higher next show season, and pretty much only concentrating on flat classes at the rest of the shows this year. I tried jumping 2'6 at home, and he didn't refuse or run-out, he actually jumped it, but he kept knocking the pole. I kept trying, but he couldn't clear it. He didn't ever try to refuse it or anything like that, so I tried it in-hand, and then he refused. I cannot free jump him for multiple reasons, otherwise I would try that. Anyway, my question is, is it possible that he physically can't jump that? He's 16.2 hh, so I really don't see how he can't. Is it because I don't have any fillers under the jump? Should I add some and see? Any exercises I could try? Thank you for reading, please help me out!

Also, anybody have any good jumping exercises for hunters? I've done the same gymnastics and courses over and over, lol.

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post #2 of 25 Old 08-22-2011, 10:41 PM Thread Starter
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When I originally tried 2'6, I tried it in a gymnastics line I had been doing (I bumped up a 2'3 jump I had up to 2'6), and then after trying it a few times with no luck, I tried it with only a crossrail before it, and then with nothing but the jump. None of it worked. I will try that set though!

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There are lots of reasons he may be hitting the rail, but it is unlikely that he is uncapable of clearing such a small jump. It could be fitness related, soundness related, could be the ride (too much or not enough leg in front of the fence), one thing I would try is putting out a ground rail if you don't already have one. Putting too much leg on in front will encourage him to dive at the jump instead of back himself up and away from the rail. Be sure you come to the fence with enough impulsion but dont clamp your leg on in front. Good luck!
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Your best bet is to find a trainer and have them figure out why your horse is not jumping. It might be something you are doing, something you do even more at horse shows.


How exactly did you try to jump him in hand? It might not be so much that he truly refused the jump but he just saw an easier route that was more safe.
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Trainers are last resort to me. This is my first horse that I've ever trained completely by myself, it's never been taught a single thing when it comes to english (and most western) that he didnt learn from me, and I'd really like to keep it that way. I still have yet to try the jump again with the fillers because of school starting, but as soon as I do I'll let you all know how it went!

When doing it in hand, I trotted towards it (it wasn't a slow trot or anything, he had enough impulsion to do it) and then I ran to the side of it, while he normally goes over. He can do 2'3 oxers, verticals, etc. in hand exactly like that, but not 2'6. He would always almost take off, at close to the perfect distance, than take an extra step and stop.

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Also, he has this knot on his front knee. I've been told what it is, but I can't remember off the top of my head. It makes him sore every once in a while, but he hasn't been lame in years, and I have him on bute, gluocosamine, and I rub linament on it (sometimes before) and after every ride. It doesn't cause him any pain, and when he's sore from it, it's easy to tell (he's a big baby) so I don't ride him hard, if at all, and I would never jump him anyway. Could that be a reason though? He can jump 2'3 with absolutely no problem, I don't see how 2'6 could be that much harder?

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if you are having this much trouble at 2'6" you need a trainer imho. jumping is more dangerous than riding on the flat and not something to mess around with.

if you are not going to get a trainer, you should put a placement pole 9ft in front of the fence to show him where to take off.

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if you are having this much trouble at 2'6" you need a trainer imho. jumping is more dangerous than riding on the flat and not something to mess around with.
This.

And I am missing how having a trainer come watch you and give you pointers makes it any less of you training?


Good horse trainers realize that there are other people out there worth learning from.
Even the riders who ride at the international level ride with trainers.


ETA - Why is it wrong to ask a real live human for a set of eyes and input but it is not wrong to ask a bunch of strangers on the internet for input?
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It doesn't cause him any pain, and when he's sore from it, it's easy to tell (he's a big baby) so I don't ride him hard, if at all, and I would never jump him anyway.
Did you read what you told us here?
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Trainers are last resort to me. This is my first horse that I've ever trained completely by myself, it's never been taught a single thing when it comes to english (and most western) that he didnt learn from me, and I'd really like to keep it that way.
This sounds very arrogant and seems to stem more from ego than anything else. You obviously need help, and having a trainer tell you what to do, or watch you ride and help you would not change the fact that you taught him this or that. You would still be the one riding him. Better to get help than to get hurt.

You also have a horse that has an ongoing occasional lameness, according to you. He may not even be sound to jump. Some horses can take a large amount of flatwork perfectly well, but the stress of jumping is something else entirely. Have you asked a vet's opinion on whether you should even be jumping him at all?

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