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        07-30-2009, 05:36 PM
      #11
    Super Moderator
    I don't see the friesian in him at all. I do still think he's completely gaited. I don't see the trot in him at all this video. Last video I thought he trotted some...

    I think you have got to go back to the basics though. Fighting him the way you do is really going to get ugly (with the snatching on the reigns). How long have you had him now?
         
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        07-30-2009, 05:47 PM
      #12
    Banned
    1 year
         
        07-30-2009, 05:48 PM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    Then you guys are still bonding... 2 years from now it will be funny to go back and look at these videos!
         
        07-30-2009, 06:33 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Ok woah...and slow down. I wouldn't do ANYTHING on this horse that resembled a jump, or barrels, or anything. This guy needs some MAJOR flatwork and loads of mileage out of the arena. He looks to be severely arena soured to me. I would try to find a reputable dressage/equitation/or western horsemanship instructor and work on flatwork and basic patterns. This guy needs to calm down. And I disagree with putting you in a snaffle. If you start yanking with both hands in a snaffle you will MURDER your horses bars and they will be permanently damaged. If you were my student...I would get you on a lunge line reinless.

    Lots of work needs to be done...but no time like the present to start doing it.
         
        07-30-2009, 07:03 PM
      #15
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by morganshow11    
    Thanks guys.

    So you know how I found out he was friesian right? I contacted the guys a few days ago and asked him what he used rowdy for, and he said he was a roadster horse, and champion saddleseat horse, do you think the roadstetr has anything to do with him not wanting to slow down?
    There are so many untruths in this post.

    Before you told us the wild tale that your "Morgan" is part friesian. So now it is a full Friesian?

    Oh my goodness!!!

    Also unregistered Morgans or Friesians do not compete in Roadster or saddleseat classes...just not done. Even part breds are not allowed.

    The reason he is not wanting to slow down is because he is terrified of being bumped and pain inflicted every stride with your unyielding hands hanging on for dear life to a bit that hurts him the way you operate it.

    Seriously that video is enough to scare anyone looking at it and the only thing it did was to get me to post something in almost a week.

    Now I can't tell if the "previous owner" is spinning a tale or if you are creating a tale ( like you did on HGS resulting in membership de-activation) to look good but I am not buying it.

    You have continuously stated you were going to do something (where is that English instructor you were supposed to get?)that would be in the best interests of the horse (like no more curb bit for jumping) and failed each and every time.
         
        07-30-2009, 08:08 PM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    I don't know if you want a friendly tip or not but when you had him halt it appeared like you had him halt and then waited long enough that he ended up breaking the halt without your permission.

    My horse Lacey used to do the same thing. I'd ask for a halt, she'd stay still for 5 seconds and then start walking and get crazy if I tried to ask her to halt again. What worked super well with her was if I had her halt for 4 seconds (since she couldn't do it for 5) and then cue her to walk on. Eventually once she was fine standing still for really short periods of time I started having her stand for longer and longer.

    I made sure to set her up for success, by not having her stand still for longer than I knew she could handle, and now she's standing still long enough for me to fix my stirrups and stuff while on her back. Good luck!
         
        07-30-2009, 08:21 PM
      #17
    Trained
    He isn't slowing down because he is evasive. You aren't asking him to slow down, you're letting him run over those jumps, slamming him in the mouth, and not trying to train him. Jumping and barrels are fun, but there is nothing right going on in that video. Why do you keep slamming him in the mouth like that? At this point, I'm not even going to ramble about jumping in a curb bit, but to jerk on his mouth like that is absurd. It is not teaching him anything.

    I don't get why you post videos of you and your horse, then get all POed when we tell you your horse has giant massive gaps in his training. It is not rude. It is not mean. It is honesty. The ONLY reason your horse is rushing around like a bat out of hell is because of poor/incomplete training. I have ridden OTTB horses, barrel horses, OTTQHs and they ALL knew how to slow and stop and be soft. I don't care if he was trained saddleseat or was a roadster -- That isn't the reason he's running around unbalanced and avoiding your hands.
         
        07-30-2009, 09:22 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Whoa!!!!!!!!!

    What the HELL are you doing to that poor horses mouth between :20 - :29??????????? All I could do was cover my mouth with my hand and gasp missy! I am absolultey appauled at your reaction to your horse here, when all he was doing was trying to run away from the blue barrel that the rider behind you moved.

    If I were there in person, and had to of seen that.......oh my goodness.

    Your horse only knows as much as you do, and your horse reflects what you do in the saddle 100% of the time and if you have lack of education in that department on how to quiet yourself down, to allow your horse to quiet himself down, then you need to take a giant step backwards and start taking lessons.

    Not for your sake, but for your horses sake.

    My heart truely sunk, for your horse.

    Kiddo, you need lessons. 100%.
         
        07-30-2009, 10:32 PM
      #19
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by morganshow11    
    Thanks guys.

    So you know how I found out he was friesian right? I contacted the guys a few days ago and asked him what he used rowdy for, and he said he was a roadster horse, and champion saddleseat horse, do you think the roadstetr has anything to do with him not wanting to slow down?
    Umm, no.

    I think it's the fact that a young, inexperienced, untrained, poorly supervised, adolescent girl is working with him and allowing him to make all the decisions. I'm very concerned that I rarely see experienced adults with you. I am afraid that it's inevitable that you're going to end up being hurt. I'm sad to say that it's also likely your horse will also end up being hurt. You both need serious, ongoing training.
         
        07-30-2009, 11:28 PM
      #20
    Banned
    I am looking into trainers right now I might have found one, I email her
         

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