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#1 · (Edited)
Rowdy has a new thing that when we are jumping a small one ft jump he canters it(fast canter) and one a 2'6''-3'3'' he takes his time in a slow canter. Why is this?(no rude comments)
Here is vid. No critique, he was being horrible that day cuz there was another rider in the ring. this vid just shwos you how he is going fast twords the small jump and nice and slow twards the bigger jump(at 31 seconds was an atempt to square halt lol)
 
#4 ·
Because he is controlling the pace without your direction.
Morgan, that is pretty much telling you that you have very little control and that it is your horse - not you in control.

What are you doing between 1:01 and 1:10?
 
#5 ·
I would work with a trainer,or someone quite experienced in jumping and horses that tend to run away when you point them at a small jump.

You could also circle him or change the course if he starts to get faster towards the smaller jumps. It'll teach him that he has to be at the pace that YOU want, not which ever he chooses. It's not safe to just have him go off like that IMO.

Can he walk over that small jump without going into a faster gait? Can he do the same at the trot?

Have you tried lunging him over small jumps to see if he does the same thing?
 
#6 ·
Also the way you are teaching him barrels is making him rush into the jump like this. The way you turn and let him go is affecting this problem.

You need to get that shank bit out of his mouth and work on soft hands with a snaffle. He is avoiding the bit due to your hard hands and how severe the leverage bit is in his mouth.
 
#8 ·
He will walk over the small ones, but when i trot him he just trot faster and into a canter.
A was gonna put the snaffle in put i couldnt find it,
That is because you don't work on flat work and only jump and run barrels. You need to go to the basics and work on transitions and ring work. The reason why he is trotting into a canter is because you don't practice the transitions and work on a calm quiet horse. Your hands are hard and with that shanked bit this dosen't help the situation. Your horse is fighting you and just wants to run because you are letting him by working barrels with him.

I would lose any leverage bits you have and only ride in a snaffle for a while. Your horse is avoiding your hands and you need to work on being quiet and not fight him. You shouldn't be jumping him in that sort of bit ... period. It dosen't sit the same as a snaffle does and its banging around his mouth making him not want contact.
 
#9 ·
He is still heavy on his forehand which means he is still unbalanced. It's easy to fly over a small jump, doesn't really take much effort. The higher jumps take more effort, so he needs to slow himself down and collect up a bit so that he can keep his balance and make it safely over the fence.

I know you didn't want critique but you didn't say no advice. I'm sorry if you arent looking for any. What I would do at this point is only trot the fences, he's athletic enough that he doesnt need to canter them. I would also halt a few strides after the jump and make him stand for a moment before continuing on. I would do that after EVERY jump. He'll be anticipating the stop and he will begin to slow himself down. You are still relying too much on your hands for control, but I can tell you have been working on it so... keep it up and good luck.....
 
#10 ·
Thanks guys.

So you know how i found out he was friesian right? i contacted the guys a few days ago and asked him what he used rowdy for, and he said he was a roadster horse, and champion saddleseat horse, do you think the roadstetr has anything to do with him not wanting to slow down?
 
#15 ·
There are so many untruths in this post.

Before you told us the wild tale that your "Morgan" is part friesian. So now it is a full Friesian?

http://www.horseforum.com/horse-talk/oh-my-goodness-31980/

Also unregistered Morgans or Friesians do not compete in Roadster or saddleseat classes...just not done. Even part breds are not allowed.

The reason he is not wanting to slow down is because he is terrified of being bumped and pain inflicted every stride with your unyielding hands hanging on for dear life to a bit that hurts him the way you operate it.

Seriously that video is enough to scare anyone looking at it and the only thing it did was to get me to post something in almost a week.

Now I can't tell if the "previous owner" is spinning a tale or if you are creating a tale ( like you did on HGS resulting in membership de-activation) to look good but I am not buying it.

You have continuously stated you were going to do something (where is that English instructor you were supposed to get?)that would be in the best interests of the horse (like no more curb bit for jumping) and failed each and every time.
 
#11 ·
I dont see the friesian in him at all. I do still think he's completely gaited. I don't see the trot in him at all this video. Last video I thought he trotted some...

I think you have got to go back to the basics though. Fighting him the way you do is really going to get ugly (with the snatching on the reigns). How long have you had him now?
 
#13 ·
then you guys are still bonding... 2 years from now it will be funny to go back and look at these videos!
 
#14 ·
ok woah...and slow down. I wouldn't do ANYTHING on this horse that resembled a jump, or barrels, or anything. This guy needs some MAJOR flatwork and loads of mileage out of the arena. He looks to be severely arena soured to me. I would try to find a reputable dressage/equitation/or western horsemanship instructor and work on flatwork and basic patterns. This guy needs to calm down. And I disagree with putting you in a snaffle. If you start yanking with both hands in a snaffle you will MURDER your horses bars and they will be permanently damaged. If you were my student...I would get you on a lunge line reinless.

Lots of work needs to be done...but no time like the present to start doing it.
 
#16 ·
I don't know if you want a friendly tip or not but when you had him halt it appeared like you had him halt and then waited long enough that he ended up breaking the halt without your permission.

My horse Lacey used to do the same thing. I'd ask for a halt, she'd stay still for 5 seconds and then start walking and get crazy if I tried to ask her to halt again. What worked super well with her was if I had her halt for 4 seconds (since she couldn't do it for 5) and then cue her to walk on. Eventually once she was fine standing still for really short periods of time I started having her stand for longer and longer.

I made sure to set her up for success, by not having her stand still for longer than I knew she could handle, and now she's standing still long enough for me to fix my stirrups and stuff while on her back. Good luck!
 
#17 ·
He isn't slowing down because he is evasive. You aren't asking him to slow down, you're letting him run over those jumps, slamming him in the mouth, and not trying to train him. Jumping and barrels are fun, but there is nothing right going on in that video. Why do you keep slamming him in the mouth like that? At this point, I'm not even going to ramble about jumping in a curb bit, but to jerk on his mouth like that is absurd. It is not teaching him anything.

I don't get why you post videos of you and your horse, then get all POed when we tell you your horse has giant massive gaps in his training. It is not rude. It is not mean. It is honesty. The ONLY reason your horse is rushing around like a bat out of hell is because of poor/incomplete training. I have ridden OTTB horses, barrel horses, OTTQHs and they ALL knew how to slow and stop and be soft. I don't care if he was trained saddleseat or was a roadster -- That isn't the reason he's running around unbalanced and avoiding your hands.
 
#18 ·
Whoa!!!!!!!!!

What the HELL are you doing to that poor horses mouth between :20 - :29??????????? All I could do was cover my mouth with my hand and gasp missy! I am absolultey appauled at your reaction to your horse here, when all he was doing was trying to run away from the blue barrel that the rider behind you moved.

If I were there in person, and had to of seen that.......oh my goodness.

Your horse only knows as much as you do, and your horse reflects what you do in the saddle 100% of the time and if you have lack of education in that department on how to quiet yourself down, to allow your horse to quiet himself down, then you need to take a giant step backwards and start taking lessons.

Not for your sake, but for your horses sake.

My heart truely sunk, for your horse.

Kiddo, you need lessons. 100%.
 
#25 ·
Omigosh. I have never posted on any of your other threads, but...

Why in the world would you put stuff like this on here after you have said "only flatwork", "getting a trainer", and "no more curb bit"? It just appalls me. I don't understand. Poor Rowdy is a total saint to not run away with you or worse. I'm extremely suprised that you never mention any rearing. Any horse I ride would flip if I rode it like that. Be kind to his mouth. No wonder you've barely gotten anywhere with him.

I'm not the type of person to pitch a fit about things, but this....it's too much.
 
#29 ·
Morganshow11, I keep writing stuff and then starting over. Finally, here's what I will say

Lies do not impress us. Lies do not deceive us. False promises do not impress use. False promises do not deceive us.

We are not being mean, unfair, or untrusting. We are being patient, helpful, and desperate to help you and your poor, kind, forgiving horse.

Please, don't lie to get us off your case. Get professional help, or get out of horses. You are on a dangerous road, and the only place that road leads is a world of hurt.

Please, don't lie, exaggerate, and make false promises. They don't impress us. They don't deceive us.

Please get the help you and Rowdy need
 
#30 ·
This, my friend, is absolutely TERRIFYING.

That poor horse..

You need to go straight to flat work and get that disgusting bit out of that poor horse's mouth before he flips himself over.

You need to seriously rethink jumping a horse in this condition. The reason he is running around is because he's afraid of his rider's hands! It's the only way he can get away from them!
 
#31 ·
I'm certainly no expert but i've been following your threads for a while and feel I need to say something.

I just got my horse 2 weeks ago and am taking it REALLY slow with him. He had a injury barrel racing a few years ago and still has some issues with his leg. Even though I wish I could go run him through a field, I don't. I know it wouldn't be good for him. Thats what being a horse owner/lover is all about, doing what's good for the horse NOT for you. You dont seem to understand this. Rowdy needs work and so do you. Once you advance, so will he. If you won't get a trainer that can help you with your issues, you need to sell Rowdy. He deserves someone that cares about him and not just about having fun.

Im the same age as you so I know what its like to want to just goof around but you really need to consider what you're doing to your poor horse. Someday you're going to be seriously hurt and I cant say i'll feel bad. Please go back to flat work and fix the holes in his AND your training.
 
#32 ·
Marrah - listen up, Girly.

That horse of yours... he's an angel for not tossing your butt on the dirt, Missy.

You better thank your lucky stars he's been so patient. The BEST way you can thank him - give him a break! Take that nasty bit out of his mouth! Quit YANKING on him! Quit asking him to GUIDE YOU THROUGH THINGS THAT YOU AS A RIDER ARE NOT READY TO DO! He is doing his very best for you - and for that, he deserves not to be assaulted in the mouth every move he makes.

You are asking your horse to jump when you as a rider are not able to support him. You are asking him to run a pattern when you as a rider and not able to direct him. He has taken the direction into his own hands the best way he knows how. But, honey, he's only a horse. A young horse. A green horse.

He clearly cares about you, or he'd have tossed your bum on the arena floor a long time ago.

And I KNOW you care about him. ALL we ever hear is "Rowdy this, Rowdy that, I love Rowdy!" But SHOW us! Take our advice! Show us that you can put Rowdy's well-being before yourself. Show us that you can sacrifice your own fun for the over all good of your horse. Show us that you can exhibit the patience and compassion to be a horse owner.

You have TOLD us so many things. But you haven't shown us one of them. You continue to yank on his mouth, slam up and down on his back, and then blame him when does not do what you wish he would.

He is a horse, and as riders, we must understand that we are asking so much of our horses by even asking them to trust us. To halter them. To lead them. Let alone ride them. They are flight animals. They do not naturally trust. They are prey animals. We must EARN their trust, and we must EARN their respect.

He carts you around and lets you indulge in your play time.

Give that boy a break. Find a trainer or sell him to someone who will devote the time, effort, patience, and compassion that he deserves.

We know you love him. You are a horse girl, it is in your blood to love him. Show him that, and show us that.
 
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