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post #1 of 58 Old 11-06-2009, 10:16 PM Thread Starter
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How do YOU fix refusals

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How do YOU fix refusalsssss
Can someone fix it xDDDD

How do you go about fixing refusals, I was thinking about this as I was getting 3 NASTY ones from my girl, she looks like she would go over and at very last second run out, then STOP real fast sending me over her head once O.O!!

I made the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy :)
Like ill turn her around fast, then canter at the jump and if she jumps it she gets to stop and rest for a few seconds. It seems to work lol

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post #2 of 58 Old 11-07-2009, 03:06 AM
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I can't speak about any underlying reasons for refusals, but I can add this.
Back when I was jumping, I learned quickly (by pain anyways) that as I near the jump, I needed (along with everything else going on at these quick seconds) to firmly and consistently ASK for forward impulsion. With this particular Horse I had, it was a matter of not letting Her say at that last vital moment, NO!, I've wont go! you go then...
After countless drops, and even more insistent advice from my Instructor, I soon learned to not stop driving forward to the jump.
After that, it was on the the next jump, flat work (for a break) or we were done for the day anyway..Never stopped as any reward so, I can't say if that is the best Idea, or not... Just that we didn't do it that way.
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One thing I have learnt....when your horse refuses the same jump more than two times in a row....CHANGE what you were currently doing to get the horse over the jump.

Maybe try it at a trot, or from a different direction, etc, but never aimlessly take a horse to the jump the same way over and over again. They will NOT jump if you do that.... = D

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post #4 of 58 Old 11-07-2009, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
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Good advice!!


If Chance refuses it to much and no effort is being made to try ill take it at a trot then try it again later :)
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I'm quite interested in seeing video footage of how you approach the fence.

Faults, Refusals, Veers, etc,etc occur due to 99.9% of rider error, so lets stop and ask what is it that the rider could of done to of created this constant outcome in her horse.

1) Horses jump blindly. Facts are that they cannot see the fence 3 strides out. The fence has completely dissapeared in their line of sight, so they now turn and rely 100% on their rider to get them to the base solidly, to aid them over the fence.

If the rider does one thing incorrectly from point A to point B - errors occur.


I have seen countless times, horses jumping regardless of what errors the rider commits while in the saddle. Those horses are saints, and get their job done regardless and those horses deserve all the praise they can get.

Then, there are those horses, such as Nelson and many more - that wont. If their rider faults them in any way *shoulders, legs, seat, upper body, hands, eyes, head* on approach to the fence - they will not jump it.

What Horses Really See When Jumping


So, lets stop and look at the OP's first, before pointing the finger at the horse.

Video's would be helpful to see what exactly is going on.

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post #6 of 58 Old 11-07-2009, 04:05 PM
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MIEventer is right on...the only times my horse has refused jumps, it's because of something I was doing (even when I didn't realize it at first!) Like someone else above said, it was either because I stopped telling her what to do (asking for forward movement) or because I got up into my 2 pt. a second too early and was ahead of her movement, causing her to stop.

That's usually the most common, IMO, jumping ahead. But like MIEventer said, it would be very helpful to see a video of you jumping, to really be able to tell what's going on in your particular situation.

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^agreed with the two above. Most stops, rails down, etc. are my fault! (I learned the hard way that you never look at the front rail of an oxer insted of the back...) so yes, it might be your fault more than hers. A video WOULD help

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Well Chance will refuse after shes jumped a few times, as in saying no im done. Thats the kind of personality she has. Ill usually check if im staring at the jump, or stopped riding her to it before I think that its just her saying no.

Most of the time it IS me such as not telling her what to do or looking at it [bad habit]. But im wondering what people do when it is the horse just saying no.
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That's a toughie, because all of the refusals I've witnessed or been a part of, it's been something the rider did. I'd say that if the horse just really wasn't willing to go anymore, you'll want to first rule out that anything is wrong physically of course...and then, what I would do is sit back, really drive with my seat/legs, and stay back while giving the horse a very strong squeeze right before the fence to ask her to jump it. A crop/bat is really helpful to reinforce your leg as a command in that case.

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I wonder if the reason a horse stops when the rider gets into 2 point too early is due to the fact that they can't see the fence. Maybe they feel you go into two point and get confused because it tells them that they're should be a fence there already but it's not there. That would sure make me stop.

My horse is a dirty stopper. Nice even canter until it's time to leave the ground and then nothing. When it happens, I circle back, pick something to change in my way of riding and try again. If I was too forward, I try to get left behind a little. If he was slow, I sit deep and drive him more forward to the fence. Like somebody else said, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result just doesn't work.
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