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post #31 of 81 Old 12-22-2009, 11:04 AM
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Hahaha those drawings are nice but the only problem I see with them as an example is the rider needs to release over the jump (auto or crest depending on how the horse goes best ;) ) and they are bracing their leg on the way to the jump ;)
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post #32 of 81 Old 12-22-2009, 11:18 AM
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Your horse is cute! I think he is maxed out though. He seems to really struggle over some f the larger fences and might benefit from jumping lower jumps. He physically can get over them, but it does not look particullary comfortable and I don't think it will benefit him in the long run. He looks like he would be fantastic at one level down, so honest!
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He certainly is not comfortable jumping those heights--he has no confidence in himself to get over them. That's why you're chasing him so badly, which is leading to awkward distances--and all of these things make your horse think, 'you know what? This jumping thing sucks!'

You want everything to be as easy as possible for him. Free jumping does not mean you raise the bar as high as possible to see how high he can jump in one sitting--it's a gymnastic exercise where he'll calmly navigate the fences on his own. He is not doing this with you chasing him!

First thing is first, bring the height of EVERY jump down. There is no need to put the stress on his legs; he is not in the right shape, nor does he have the confidence, to be jumping those heights.

Work on smaller jumps to build up his own confidence and condition. Do lots of grid work--it will help you get in his rhythm, and work on your position too. If you jump ahead or get left behind or catch his mouth, Oscar will again think, 'you know what, I really don't know about this jumping thing...'.

There are plenty of horses that can jump 5ft but aren't doing so competitively--at that height your horse needs a LOT more then just 'can he jump it?'

I think he has a lot of talent, but don't waste it and don't take it for granted. Take your time, go slow, and above all, keep the jumps smaller.

As I've read before, horses don't get confidence by jumping big jumps--they get confidence in jumping a ton of different small ones. ;)

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post #34 of 81 Old 12-22-2009, 04:44 PM
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Mayfieldk - fantastic post, I agree 100%.
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post #35 of 81 Old 12-22-2009, 05:23 PM
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He certainly is not comfortable jumping those heights--he has no confidence in himself to get over them. That's why you're chasing him so badly, which is leading to awkward distances--and all of these things make your horse think, 'you know what? This jumping thing sucks!'

You want everything to be as easy as possible for him. Free jumping does not mean you raise the bar as high as possible to see how high he can jump in one sitting--it's a gymnastic exercise where he'll calmly navigate the fences on his own. He is not doing this with you chasing him!

First thing is first, bring the height of EVERY jump down. There is no need to put the stress on his legs; he is not in the right shape, nor does he have the confidence, to be jumping those heights.

Work on smaller jumps to build up his own confidence and condition. Do lots of grid work--it will help you get in his rhythm, and work on your position too. If you jump ahead or get left behind or catch his mouth, Oscar will again think, 'you know what, I really don't know about this jumping thing...'.

There are plenty of horses that can jump 5ft but aren't doing so competitively--at that height your horse needs a LOT more then just 'can he jump it?'

I think he has a lot of talent, but don't waste it and don't take it for granted. Take your time, go slow, and above all, keep the jumps smaller.

As I've read before, horses don't get confidence by jumping big jumps--they get confidence in jumping a ton of different small ones. ;)
This is an excellent post.
I agree that he did not look comfortable nor confident over the larger fences; he was struggling to jump them, but is so honest that he tried his heart out to do what you wanted.
Very very generally speaking, a good judgement of the horse's scope is to train them to free-jump, and once they know how and are confident, to test to see how high they can go. Is this necessarily a good technique? Probably not.. but anyways, a generalization is that a horse will jump about 6" lower than their top height free jumping.


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post #36 of 81 Old 12-22-2009, 05:48 PM
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Chingaz - the pictures were a great attempt and I do appreciate you doing the work to post them - but just to add, the 2nd shot shows the rider closing their hip angle far too much.

The riders head should not move at all, and it should always be the horse closing the angle for the rider - not the other way around.

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I agree Mayfield, but I am sure she'll ignore what you had to say, as she ignored what I had to say in my first post - which was pretty much the same in opinion as yours.

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post #37 of 81 Old 12-22-2009, 07:39 PM
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I think he's really cute. He jumps well. But 4ft is a good height for both of you I think. No sense pushing him to the point where he doesnt want to jump anymore. And when you freejump him, it would be easier for him if you make a grid so he can find a spot easier. It will also keep the momentum going.
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post #38 of 81 Old 12-26-2009, 12:20 AM
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i HAVE read the thred. Every single entry. Hence why I said what I said. The videos are living proof of what I have said.




I don't lie.

^^a big fat lie in itself!^^
I don't try to hurt people's feelings but I will state what needs to be said. What do you expect some sugar coating 'lyke oh mee godd you look amahhhzing' NO I see some one who should not be jumping how high she is and same for the horse. Im stating my concern for her as she could very well end up over the other side while her horse is on the opposite side of the fence.
^^ this coming from someone who pointed her underweight, un balanced, tb mare over a 3'6" jump with no helment on.





Well the falls should teach you something confidence gets knocked no doubt but you need to work from the beginning. Work on your 2 point , xrails for a while. It takes time don't worry it just gets better.
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^ UIh, what? That talk will get you banned.

The horse is a lovely, honest fellow who is trying his heart out. He really needs more flatwork - He is not using his body at all - He is simply tucking his head and faking collection because that is all that is being asked of him. He may be more confident jumping if he gets under himself more - More impulsion from the back end equals more bounce. I agree with others - Bring him back much lower and let him get comfortable, and together through his body.

I know it said no critique - But I just want to mention that the way he is being ridden is NOT helping his jumping. You need to BEND that elbow, and get your lower leg under you. That lower leg is swinging in time with every canter stride - Which means no solid base. How can you ask your horse to feel solid and secure into a jump when the rider isn't solid OR secure in the saddle. The way he is ridden will have a BIG impact on how comfortable he feels jumping and ultimately how far he will get.

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post #40 of 81 Old 12-26-2009, 10:09 AM
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My mare was no where near underweight when she started jumping 3ft ++ . Get your facts straight. And the no helmet thing is MY choice. If its any of your concern wich it IS NOT, I do wear it actually since those photos every ride now. BC it was stupid and I happen to trust her too much.

Any way . Ignore her stupidity .
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