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        11-21-2012, 03:33 PM
      #11
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by upnover    
    That's absolutely true and my biggest pet peeve is when people tear dangerously around a 2"6 course and win simply bc they're fast. I think they top out more like 3" bc they don't have the foundation to ride the technicality of a higher class. What I meant was that sometimes it's a relief that you can make a small mistake like a late change and still have a chance to Be ok. I've been in many classes were I've had a stellar round except one chip and I'm out of the ribbons.
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    Completely agree with you!
         
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        11-22-2012, 12:32 AM
      #12
    Started
    My first year of showing I turned and burned way too much. Mainly because most of the jumper classes I was in were timed with no jump-off. This year I did mostly open shows instead of schooling shows so I focused more on getting a great round the first time so I would be able to learn the course better to shave off time for the jump-off. It really helped me out and I placed much more in my flat and over-fences classes.
         
        11-23-2012, 02:21 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Thank you all for your replies. I've read them all and they've really helped. My last questions is, I'm going to start leasing at the start of December when my old lease is up and eventually want to do shows and everything. However, I really am not able to have a horse at any point until I'm living on my own, because of all the work involved and all the liabilities that my parents don't want to be responsible for. I completely understand this and think it's better if we just lease, at least at this point. However, do any of you lease horses and do shows with them? I just want to know basically how you picked a horse to lease and if it's hard to have a lease horse and do shows.
         
        11-24-2012, 11:29 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    I live in the Wellington area and showjumping and h/j are both about equal in popularity , it mostly depends on personal prefernce . I prefer timed jumpers over any other jumping because I love the speed and tight turn and split second decisions . H/j the jumps are usually lower , you have to keep a steady , flowing pace throughout the entire course , proper position for both you and your horse , your horses knees must be square over the jumps , etc.
    So , basically its just personal preference and you shouldnt be worried much about what is most popular , but most what will suit you best . All but one of my friends prefers h/j over showjumping or timed events and we train at the same barn , but I have my own preferences .
    Also , im 17 if that means anything
         
        11-25-2012, 03:19 PM
      #15
    Foal
    I've shown/lessoned/trained in hunters/equitation, showjumping, and eventing for as long as I can remember with a great many trainers on a great many horses, so this is what I have gathered from my personal experiences (sorry if this offends anyone).......

    Personally, I think to LEARN on you need to start in the hunter/equitation world. Hunt/Equ courses are much easier to memorize and navigate, and are typically very inviting for the horse. Horses that specialize in hunt/equ are also generally (but not always) quieter. It is a good introduction to jumping, and will give you a decent foundation.

    However, I am a hardcore diehard Show Jumper/Eventer for a reason! ;) I like SJ/Ev because the courses are much more creative and require far more respect/trust between horse & rider. The speed gives an amazing adrenaline rush that you just don't get after an equ course. And also, because they are strictly judged on performance and NOT presentation, you don't have to worry about the judge being bias towards certain breeds/clothing/etc. which is something that unfortunately happens in hunter/equ shows all the time (in my area, at least). If you go clear and do the best job, you WILL get that ribbon, even if your horse is the ugliest crossbred moose-horse on the face of the planet.

    The downfall of SJ.... it IS a much more dangerous category of jumpers, due to sharper turns, purposely uneven lines/combinations, and far more intimidating jumps. Many sound horses go lame in a matter of seasons IF you don't take proper care of them and ride the fences correctly. Also, the horses tend to be much more fiery and hot under saddle. (Personally, I prefer hot horses, but for a beginner jumper as yourself, clearly not the smartest option.)

    So what I'm trying to say is, for a beginner, at least start off on equ/hunter TYPE horses & courses until you are confident & can jump quiet horses & simple courses safely. When you're abilities allow you, I personally would highly recommend SJ, but I understand it's definitely not for everyone.
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        11-25-2012, 03:30 PM
      #16
    Foal
    I've been taught as well to master the hunter ring before moving to jumpers. To many people go right into jumpers and travel around the ring so unsafe that you can tell they didn't find their seats the fight way that hunters would teach you.
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        11-30-2012, 08:25 PM
      #17
    Yearling
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    Thank you all for your replies. I've read them all and they've really helped. My last questions is, I'm going to start leasing at the start of December when my old lease is up and eventually want to do shows and everything. However, I really am not able to have a horse at any point until I'm living on my own, because of all the work involved and all the liabilities that my parents don't want to be responsible for. I completely understand this and think it's better if we just lease, at least at this point. However, do any of you lease horses and do shows with them? I just want to know basically how you picked a horse to lease and if it's hard to have a lease horse and do shows.
    You've gotten a lot of great replies about Hunters vs. Jumpers, so I'll answer your leasing question.

    I don't lease right now, but I leased all summer and October. I had my first honest-to-goodness show in the summer and was going to show in October, but it didn't work out.

    For me, it wasn't that hard to pick my lease horse, both times.

    I just chose a lesson horse at my barn. In summer, I chose Skippy- I was still fairly new to my barn and jumping seriously, and he is a fairly reliable and steady horse. However, he's not push-button. So, I chose him :).

    In October, I picked Holly. She's much younger and can be a challenge to ride. However, she can jump higher when I'm ready and can go faster when I'm prepared to go the Jumper route.

    It wasn't too difficult. It was a dream come true for me :).
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        12-03-2012, 11:28 AM
      #18
    Foal
    I have to agree with everyone else. I do believe it is best to start out with the hunter/equ background. Yes in jumpers you can get away with more but in the beginning you should try for "perfection" at first. Also with some of the shows you can school over hunter fences before you actually go in the ring for competition. Which is not a possibility for jumpers. This could build your confidence before you have to go in the ring for your jumping round.

    I made the transition from hunters to jumpers and would never consider going back. However I am very happy that my roots are in using space, consistency, and finding perfect spots to fences.
         
        12-03-2012, 11:51 AM
      #19
    Foal
    A lot of great responses with about the same thing I am about to say.

    I just started back riding a few years ago, had a few set backs and basically started from scratch in may of this year. My horse is NoT a hunter. He is jumper through and through. When we show, we basically only win eq classes. With that said, I am not ready for the speed and haven't mastered striding yet, and neither has he. So we are working to get really good at hunters (as best as we can) before we jump into the jumper ring. I think Hunters is a great, great transition into jumpers.

    About leasing, I think that depends on barns. When I leased, I did show with him. But I had to pay for trailering and trainer fees. It will probably differ from barn to barn.
         
        12-03-2012, 12:18 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by upnover    
    That's absolutely true and my biggest pet peeve is when people tear dangerously around a 2"6 course and win simply bc they're fast. I think they top out more like 3" bc they don't have the foundation to ride the technicality of a higher class. What I meant was that sometimes it's a relief that you can make a small mistake like a late change and still have a chance to Be ok. I've been in many classes were I've had a stellar round except one chip and I'm out of the ribbons.
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    I "tear around" the 2 6 course and win bc I'm fast but that's only because at least with my horse up until 3 3 she can take almost anything from any distance I'm not endangering my horse or myself she's only about 15'3 and can take that height easily don't judge if you don't know the whole story
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