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    11-26-2010, 11:08 PM
  #1
Yearling
jump changes mean "kiss the dirt!"

My trainer just got a set of new fences. They're all brightly pained, funny shaped, and some are even solid (coops, walls, gates, etc). So... today we were jumping the new planks that are painted bright blue. I trotted him around the new fences first, then cantered, then we walked up to them dead on and he got to see them. I'm not a fan of doing that with new fences, because at a show, i'm not gonna' be able to let him look at them first! So anyway... it ended the way I knew it would. He canters right up to the new fences and then slams on the breaks. They are MUCH to scary!!! It takes quite a match of wills to get him over the new fences. But when he does, he's fine to jump them every time!!! Why. Why why why!???
It drives me nuts. He's a new horse for me... I bought him in september. And he's 13 now. So i'm pretty scared that this is a behavior that is ingrained in him now.
     
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    11-27-2010, 12:11 AM
  #2
Trained
Is there anything you did to of caused the outcome? Your position in the tack, your legs, your shoulders, your eyes? Anything you could of done with your body to of told your horse "Maybe we shouldn't do this?"

Horses jump blindly - Your horse cannot see the fence when you are about 3 strides out - so something had to of happened to of caused the skid stop?

When you are about 10 strides away, the horse sees the fence in 2's. Then when you get closer, the fence merges from 2 in the horses vision, to 1. Then when you get even closer, it dissapears entirely.

So there are horses who rely 100% on their riders to remain solid and supportive to the fence, over the fence and on landing of the fence - so if you the rider, at any moment, says "I'm not fully supportive" through your body...these horses will stop.

There are some horses, and bless their hearts, who will continue to do their job regardless of how incorrect their rider is - but, the horses who stop, are to be appreciated as well, because they teach us how to ride correctly, functional and solidly.

Nelson is a stopper if I drop him. I can drop my eyes, I can drop my hands, I can drop my shoulders.......if I drop him - he stops and I go flying, imitating Superman.

On another note, I read an article written by Practicle Horseman where they stood in a clinic George Morris taught - and he is very adamant that you NEVER let a horse sniff or look at a fence. Stadium or CC - you must ride BOLD, COURAGOUS and SOLID to the fence. You have to make up your mind that you are going to get over that fence. When you are a stride out, reach back and crop your horse if you have to, or tap their shoulder and growl - YES, WE ARE GOING OVER.

Keep your body solid though - over your horses center of gravity, your body over your toes, your legs long and wrapped around your horses girth *remember, you are around your horse, not ontop* with your upper body tall, your seat hovering over your saddle, core activated, chest lifted and open and say through your body - YES WE ARE...not..."well, maybe, yeah..maybe not...umm" lol

I hope that helps.
     
    11-27-2010, 12:21 AM
  #3
Super Moderator
Now it may be you who has the mental picture ingrained, that he will prop at the fence. And , of course, if YOU think it, he will know.
You might let someone else ride him over some new fences, someone who has not history with him refusing, and get him up and forward to the fence.
Then you pretend to be them. You'll get past it, just think "He IS going over".
     
    11-27-2010, 01:23 AM
  #4
Yearling
Yep. He kinda' has my number. My trainer gets on him and tells him "we're going. PERIOD!" and he goes. Period.

However for me... it's really... literally... just new jumps. He will go around anything in the arena. Flowers, colors, gates, walls, whatever. But ONLY if he's seen/jumped them once before.

I am working on being more assertive and not just assuming that he's gonna' jump it. He's been allowed to bail out and get away with it for a LOT of years with his prev. Owner. So my trainer tells me to "get mad" and be a lot more assertive with my body, leg, and MIND!!
Although... it's still a long road. I don't always believe him. And he takes advantage of that.
     
    11-27-2010, 02:25 AM
  #5
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxer    
it ended the way I knew it would.

Here is your problem.

My hunter is 21 and he only balks at fences when his rider does (me) and I tend to do it a lot. Don't worry it is an ingrained behavior for him, worry that it is for you! Change your behavior and you will change his! Picture yourself over the fence, not him refusing and I bet you anything he goes right over!
     
    11-27-2010, 01:22 PM
  #6
Trained
I do not believe it is the horse - it is the rider. I hope you can figure things out :)
     
    11-27-2010, 10:36 PM
  #7
Yearling
Well... i'm pretty sure it's a little bit of both. I know him well enough to know that he can get pretty opinionated sometimes about what he does/doesn't want to do. And at 17.3 and 1300 pounds, I don't always get much say in the matter. Even if my heart is in it!
     
    11-28-2010, 01:17 PM
  #8
Yearling
Oxer- I know it is hard to discern tone over the internet but please believe I am not being condescending at all and I don't believe MIE was either (if I may speak for you MIE!). We both ride big TBs who are 21 and very confirmed in their ways. My guy will duck out if he even thinks you're fearful or unbalanced, but stay out of his way and let him do his job and he will carry you around a course absolutely beautifully. Yes, occasionally I have to growl and get after him, but this always comes after I have dropped him over a couple of jumps in a row. From what I have seen and heard of Nelson (MIE's horse), he is very much the same.

It would be easier to tell if you posted a video but I suspect you are either jumping ahead, or slightly unbalanced. The only reason I say this is because 99.999% of the time when people say they have a balky horse or an obstinate horse, they post a video and it is obvious they are leaving the door open for the refusal. If you post a video I bet maura or one of the others who is very experienced in jumping would be happy to help you with this problem! Best of luck!
     
    11-28-2010, 01:49 PM
  #9
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxer    
it ended the way I knew it would.
^It sounds like this is the problem.

Don't assume he won't go over it! Assume that he will and adjust your riding to him as he's going. If he FEELS like he's looking hard at it (not if you think he's looking hard at it) then give him a tap with the crop and close your legs a few strides out. Keep your head up, pick a spot on the other side of the jump and look at it! Like a tree or fencepost. Be very aware of YOUR position and don't lean forward too early in anticipation because that may be what is signaling to him to run out or refuse. At this point, since he's done it so many times before, what you may have to do is ride him somewhat aggressively up to the first few jumps at your next ride. Really let him know "Hey, we're going over this jump the first time and you have no say in the matter!" My gelding, Willie, is very opinionated and whenever someone else jumps him for the first time unless they ride like I just described he WILL refuse or run out until they really get after him. He's not stupid. He knows that he could just go around the jump and that it would be much easier. He will only do what is ASKED of him. So if you don't ask, he won't do it! Your horse may be the same way. You need to actually ask him to go over every single jump, not assume that he will or won't.

I see you mentioned that he's a big boy (17.3 hh I believe?) and this is all the more reason to get after him. Make sure he's really moving off your leg and paying attention to you on the flat before you go over fences. Ask for leg yield, walk-canter transitions, things like that to get him in tune to you. Just be confident! If you're feeling good and know your ride will go well then odds are it will be a fabulous ride.
     
    11-28-2010, 01:53 PM
  #10
Trained
^^ Thank you tealamutt, and yes, I completely agree :)

Video footage would be ideal - that way we can see what is going on exactly. But the fact of the matter is, our horses reflect 100% of what we do in the saddle. So if you are fortunate enough to have a horse who will teach you to be competant and confident, you must come to admit that 99% of errors that occur when in the saddle, lays on the rider. Then, when you accept that, and accept that your horse is responding to you, you will beable to progress forward, grow and learn and become that much more, better of a rider.

As Ian Millar *Canadian Olympic Jumper* says "A good rider blames themselves, and a poor rider blames their horse"

You yourself, Oxer - stated that you think negatively when you approach a fence that you are not "Familiar" with and you already decided that he "has your number" - so what are you going to do, to change your opinion on the matter, so that you can emit positivtiy when you are on his back?

Remember - horses jump blindly. They cannot see that fence - so there is something going on, in the saddle, that is causing him to say "Ah, nope, not doing it"

If your Coach can get him over any fence - and you can't......it's rider error. There is nothing wrong with that - take this as positivity! Take this as a challange to say "YES I CAN" and "YES I WILL" and "How can I improve myself, my form and my mindset, to be a better rider for my horse?"

When you change that mindset - you'll be unstoppable.

~~~

Great post Strange.
     

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