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        01-10-2011, 02:24 PM
      #11
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    At my barn approval means showing me whether or not you and your horse are capable of jumping regardless of age.
    In that case, no, I would not like it. Who says you have any ability to be the judge of my horse or riding? Sorry, but as an adult-I would not board there if you had to say I was "good enough" to jump my own horse. I understand the liability and safety issues, but I think this leaves the door open to VERY subjective judgement. If you didn't like my form, or I have a horse you think jumps with unsafe form, for example, you could say "no". That, I would not like. In my experience, the more objective you can make your rules, the better off you are.
         
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        01-10-2011, 03:03 PM
      #12
    Banned
    I totally agree with frank on this one.

    For this rule to work it has to be objective, not subjective.
         
        01-10-2011, 03:25 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    The barn I boarded at worked like starlinestables outlined and the only people who were unhappy were the ones who would have injured themselves or their horses if left to their own devices. They got over it though, or they moved. It was also based around age for insurance purposes, but older people didn't get a free pass to do whatever they wanted if they showed poor judgement. It worked, but this was a small barn.
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        01-10-2011, 03:38 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    I would not board at a barn with this rule. I am an adult and expect to be treated like one.
         
        01-10-2011, 03:41 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    I don't expect people or their horses to be perfect, but I do want to them to demonstrate common sense for their own safety, the saftey of others riding around them and my facility. If you can't control your horse, but decide one day you'd like to try jumping and point him at a 3ft fence... If your horse is dead lame and your jumping. If a western rider decides to start jumping with an 8 inch shank bit and is repeatedly ripping that horses face off.

    I think most barns have rules for horse torture or beating too... that last one would fall under this category.
         
        01-10-2011, 03:49 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Every single barn I've boarded at had a rule that you weren't aloud to jump unless during a lesson. And I think it's completely reasonable. There are so many things that could go wrong if the person is inexperienced.

    The only time that rule would change is if it were during a show
         
        01-10-2011, 03:54 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I can see approaching someone after the fact upon witnessing someone jumping dangerously, but to make a blanket rule against it is just not fair for the majority of riders who follow the rules. If I could only jump when my instructor was around, I wouldn't have jumped in over 6 months. I can barely afford my board no less lessons. If I were reading between the lines, I would almost say this rule was in effect to produce lesson revenue.

    I realize people like to hide behind the insurance excuse, but every barn I have been at requires a liability release to be signed before riding. Also, since anything that a person does in the presence of a horse can result in injury due to the animal being 10 times our weight, how can you single out jumping under that assumption? Not trying to be difficult, just forcing the thought process up a notch. I'm at work on a double, so I've got all day to apply my mind!!
         
        01-10-2011, 03:56 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Hmmm, interesting concept.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    I don't expect people or their horses to be perfect, but I do want to them to demonstrate common sense for their own safety, the saftey of others riding around them and my facility. If you can't control your horse, but decide one day you'd like to try jumping and point him at a 3ft fence... If your horse is dead lame and your jumping. If a western rider decides to start jumping with an 8 inch shank bit and is repeatedly ripping that horses face off.
    These are very good reasons for such a policy and I can see your point here, however the following statement concerns me:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    At my barn approval means showing me whether or not you and your horse are capable of jumping regardless of age.
    As it would seem that such a policy has the potential to turn into a popularity/favouritism contest. You yourself are a professional jumps trainer I take it?
         
        01-10-2011, 03:56 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    All the barns I boarded at, I could jump whenever I felt like it. But my mom was the one who said we (my sister and I) can jump that day or not. She didn't always supervise us, but my sister and I watched each other..and we never did anything stupid, like make the jump too high for our ability, or anything like that. We would do more intense jumping during lessons.

    The barn I ride at now, my trainer HAS to be supervising when we are jumping. I know it's for insurance reasons. Anything can happen, and I think jumping alone is stupid and dangerous no matter how experienced you are.

    Having my trainer there when jumping doesn't bother me at all, because when he is out there watching it's like I get a free lesson. And there is always someone there to pick up a knocked down rail.
         
        01-10-2011, 04:17 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    I don't expect people or their horses to be perfect, but I do want to them to demonstrate common sense for their own safety, the saftey of others riding around them and my facility. If you can't control your horse, but decide one day you'd like to try jumping and point him at a 3ft fence... If your horse is dead lame and your jumping. If a western rider decides to start jumping with an 8 inch shank bit and is repeatedly ripping that horses face off.

    I think most barns have rules for horse torture or beating too... that last one would fall under this category.
    I am a little confused now. If I am reading this right, you expect anyone who wants to jump to get your approval every time? The way it sounded before, you had to make sure that the horse/rider knew what they were doing, at least.

    I can tell you, as an adult, who also expects to be treated like one, I am not going to ask anyones permission to jump my horse every time I want to. That is ridiculous. I also agree that it has seemed to me in the past to be an attempt to generate lesson revenue. In my case, I have had my guy who jumps for 18 yrs, and have been jumping him that long. Have not had a lesson on him in at least 5, nor, at this point in his career or mine do I have any interest in investing $$ in lessons on him. With your rule, if I happen to be riding him, and he and I are feeling good that day, I feel like popping him over a cross rail I would have to come get your approval first? Sounds sort of silly, doesn't it?

    BTW-I am NOT talking about abuse. That is a seperate issue. Not the same at all.
         

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