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post #1 of 29 Old 08-23-2013, 06:49 PM Thread Starter
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Jumping Critique - I know it's bad!

Here is pictures from the past few years to show how my equatation has changes from good to bad. Critique me HARD please and offer solutions. It would help tremendously! Maybe exercises to do? Thanks!

3 years ago-ish:




Last year:




And here is a screenshot of a video I have of me jumping bareback from late last year:



I really would like good exercises to help fix my equitation. I feel fearless over jumps, so I don't think I'm fearful. There is no coach I have access to around here, unless I find someone to trailer me (which is a very slim chance). Today I fell off over a gymnastic that was a bounce which first was 2'6 vertical to a 3'-ish vertical, and then a stride and over a barrel. The bounce went well, and he tried avoiding the barrel which I over corrected, and I ended up off balance and close to falling, so I pushed off of and bailed. It really opened my eyes that I need better equitation so I can stay on through tougher jumps.


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post #2 of 29 Old 08-23-2013, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
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Look at that, pictures didn't work.. Here are the links:

3 years ago:
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http://db.tt/n8kJ7eJp


Last year:
http://db.tt/5yghhINO
http://db.tt/2xi8fiDq
http://db.tt/e6tsWCdv

Late last year:
http://db.tt/9XzUsUR9
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You are using your feet to pick yourself up out of the saddle, which will result in poor balance and is probably the reason why you are coming way out of the saddle. Work on more of a release. I'd like to see your hands further up and off the horses neck. Your heel needs to be pushed down and your toe should be more forward. I would work on perfecting your 2 point on the flat for awhile until you have the basic concept of the 2 point over fences

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You are using your feet to pick yourself up out of the saddle, which will result in poor balance and is probably the reason why you are coming way out of the saddle. Work on more of a release. I'd like to see your hands further up and off the horses neck. Your heel needs to be pushed down and your toe should be more forward. I would work on perfecting your 2 point on the flat for awhile until you have the basic concept of the 2 point over fences
I've started doing a lot of 2 point for warmup. I am trying to do more of a release, it's just hard to break a habit. Tonight when I jumped it seemed like I was a lot lower in the saddle since I was doing bounces in a gymnastic line, and really concentrated on my legs being relaxed in the stirrups.
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Try focusing on your leg, your base needs to be solid and your weigh should be dropped down into your heels.
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I looks like you've always had the same basic issue, which is that you're pinching with your knees, which lets your upper body get too far ahead, which is why you're resting on your hands over the fences. It also looks like you duck over the fences - that is, you get too close to the horse's neck with your upper body. In the first picture from three years ago, you can see how much this destablizes your position - you've fallen back on your horse's back over the apex of the jump, because you don't have a position that will allow you to hold yourself up in two point.

The suggestion of riding a lot in two point is a good one. I'd also suggest practicing things like holding your arms out to the side while in two-point (probably safest to do this on a longe line). You can also do it over fences, if you're working through a jump chute. When riding in two-point, make sure you're not resting on your hands. Even if you can't get someone to longer you, try holding your hands low and wide, away from the horse's body, while in two point. When jumping overwise, I'd recommend putting a braid in your horse's mane and making sure you reach up to grab the braid over each jump. I'd also advise getting into your two point a couple of strides before the jump and then focus on just holding that two point and letting the horse jump up to you. This should help stop the ducking. Different imagery works for different people, but you might try thinking that you want to "hold your shoulders" up over the fences, or even that you want to "wait for the back feet" to jump, so that you don't throw your body at the fence.

Good luck with your riding!
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I looks like you've always had the same basic issue, which is that you're pinching with your knees, which lets your upper body get too far ahead, which is why you're resting on your hands over the fences. It also looks like you duck over the fences - that is, you get too close to the horse's neck with your upper body. In the first picture from three years ago, you can see how much this destablizes your position - you've fallen back on your horse's back over the apex of the jump, because you don't have a position that will allow you to hold yourself up in two point.

The suggestion of riding a lot in two point is a good one. I'd also suggest practicing things like holding your arms out to the side while in two-point (probably safest to do this on a longe line). You can also do it over fences, if you're working through a jump chute. When riding in two-point, make sure you're not resting on your hands. Even if you can't get someone to longer you, try holding your hands low and wide, away from the horse's body, while in two point. When jumping overwise, I'd recommend putting a braid in your horse's mane and making sure you reach up to grab the braid over each jump. I'd also advise getting into your two point a couple of strides before the jump and then focus on just holding that two point and letting the horse jump up to you. This should help stop the ducking. Different imagery works for different people, but you might try thinking that you want to "hold your shoulders" up over the fences, or even that you want to "wait for the back feet" to jump, so that you don't throw your body at the fence.

Good luck with your riding!
I've recently started loosening my knee and started holding myself with my lower leg. My legs BURN after riding now! I've been trotting my horse for warmup and would be in a 2-point. I will start doing it with my arms out.

A problem people pointed out is that I go into my 2-point too early, so I've really been focusing on that. Funny thing is, when I close my eyes before the line, I don't get left behind, or get too ahead. I think I look at the jumps, which is part of my problem. I will try what you suggested
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It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like you drop your left shoulder and twist your core a bit which could be throwing off your balance too. Relax shoulders a bit more. Heels need to stay way deep in the stirrup, and much more give. The braid idea is good.

I can see you have definitely improved in the three years since the first few pics, good job! Do you have any really recent ones?
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It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like you drop your left shoulder and twist your core a bit which could be throwing off your balance too. Relax shoulders a bit more. Heels need to stay way deep in the stirrup, and much more give. The braid idea is good.

I can see you have definitely improved in the three years since the first few pics, good job! Do you have any really recent ones?
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I didn't think I improved, I thought I got worse

I can try to get pictures/video tomorrow when I have someone riding with me. Tonight I worked hard on keeping my heels down and using the braid idea. My legs were definitely sore afterwards, and it seems like I'm improving.
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I'd also advise getting into your two point a couple of strides before the jump and then focus on just holding that two point and letting the horse jump up to you. This should help stop the ducking
As for this, it was definitely not the best idea to try on my horse. He messed up his striding, and I got popped out of the saddle one too many times. He also did something extremely uncharacteristic for him, which was not even attempt to get over a jump and push right through it. I had a bounce, and then a stride and an oxer, and he rammed right through the oxer. After I set it back up, and kept a solid seat, and pumped with my butt, he popped right over it with no problem. It was really weird.
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