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    01-22-2013, 11:51 PM
Looks like heart and soul and natural talent might trump conformation

My best, bravest, most honest, smoothest, toughest horse ever was 3/4 Morgan, 1/8 American Standardbred, and 1/8 Missouri Foxtrotter. She should have been a ridiculous mix, but somehow ended up just perfect.

Kudos to you, rescuing a horse and finding him a job he loves to do.
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    01-22-2013, 11:58 PM
He has beautiful form over fences! Look at that arch and those knees!
    01-23-2013, 12:04 AM
Yup, that's him! Those pics were even taken on the same exact day. Steep shoulder, downhill, low set neck, yet low and behold, an amazing jumper. He's difficult to collect and work from his hind end because he has a long back and he's downhill, but point him at a jump and it doesn't matter two cents.

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    01-23-2013, 12:12 AM
Originally Posted by freia    
Looks like heart and soul and natural talent might trump conformation

My best, bravest, most honest, smoothest, toughest horse ever was 3/4 Morgan, 1/8 American Standardbred, and 1/8 Missouri Foxtrotter. She should have been a ridiculous mix, but somehow ended up just perfect.

Kudos to you, rescuing a horse and finding him a job he loves to do.
Thank you :)
Sometimes the mutts you find half starved are the ones who capture your (end my whole barns) heart. We all call him Wonder Pony as he's just barely at 15 hands with shoes on :)
    01-23-2013, 12:54 AM
Wow, he's truly wonderful over jumps! He looks so perfectly in his element, it is a joy to see.

A weird, off topicish question... What is he wearing on his fronts? Some sort of jellyish hoof boot?
    01-23-2013, 04:19 AM
Remind me to not post in the confo critique section.

I actually rather like how he's built. His neck isn't ideal, but I love his hind end, the slightly more upright shoulder actually does help with front end form over jumps as long as the angle of the shoulder is open like his (look at some old conformation photos of Gem Twist, a fabulous jumper), he's not /that/ downhill compared to a lot of horses, and I am in LOVE with his forearm:cannon bone ratio. It's almost the ideal 2:1.

Anyway, he's a fabulous jumper, so you have nothing to worry about!
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    01-23-2013, 06:33 AM
Strange nailed it. I wouldn't really call that a straight or upright shoulder; it's just not the big, laid back shoulder that produces hunter or dressage movement.

The whole reason you look at the shoulder confo in a jumper is you want to make sure the lifting mechanism works, that the horse can rotate his shoulder will enough to bring the forearm up past horizontal and snap his knees. Your guy does that very well, therefore his shoulder is fine. He may not have the long, sweeping, no knee action stride, but he certainly gets his forearm and knee up.

As Strange said, the forearm to cannon ratio is ideal, and that helps produce his excellent form.

I like the way his neck times into the shoulder, it just that his neck is underdeveloped and under muscled. You can change that with work pretty easily.

And, yes, he's a little butt high/built downhill. The real limitation there is that he'll struggle with dressage past 1st level. But he's still a wonderful prospect for hunter over fences, the jumpers, or lower to mid levels of eventing.

With that jumping form and a good brain, I'd take him in a minute.

BTW, there used to be a requirement that in order to post a confo critique, you had to be able to pick a horse out of a police lineup if the other suspects were a zebra, a giraffe and a cow. But that was too restrictive so it was eliminated.

(Of course, there are still very rigid qualifications to post jumping critiques.)
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    01-23-2013, 07:46 PM
Just like my boy :) When my gelding was in his prime he could jump anything and it was never a big deal. He is downhill with a confirmation that isn't textbook perfect (not even close), but point at a jump and he'd do it perfectly every time. Dressage was never our thing and collection never happened :) Enjoy your boy's talent while you can! I had to learn the hard way that not all of them love to jump like this. Now my boy has a list of health problems and can't jump and my mare would rather do dressage.

I love that your horse doesn't look bothered by anything you pointed him at and he's got a beautiful jump! This was a nice walk down memory lane- have fun with Xander :)
    01-24-2013, 11:42 PM
He's such a cutie! I love that you're not even using a chute and he's still going for the jumps with gusto. He's just locked onto those things. He makes it look so easy.
    01-26-2013, 11:00 PM
Thanks, Captain Evil! He's wearing bell boots, btw, he has this super annoying habit of ripping his shoes off (he thinks its hilarious), the bell boots help a little. He has them on 24/7 :)

Strage & Maura, thank you so much for that analysis! Its so cool to see how his mechanics work. The lifting and rotating mechanism is especially cool to think about. Question though Strange, what do you love about his hindquarters? Just wondering:)

Ashsunnyeventer, that's cool! Yea, I still haven't found his limit because we got to the top hole of our standards!

MyBoyPuck, yea I never have to use a chute! He puts meaning to 'point and shoot' that's why I can't wait to show him in jumpers! Once he's locked on he's going for it and nothing is going to change his mind! Terrible tight turn, missed striding, dog running into the arena? No problem!

And I also really want to try eventing with him, I think he'd be wicked good at it!

Thank you everyone for your input and thoughts, its been an awesome conversation ;)

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