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    01-17-2012, 08:00 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    

I hope I'm not upsetting you by mentioning this - but please don't jump in a standing martingale. I know yours is adjusted loose but I just feel like a running martingale is much safer. I don't know if you ride hunters or jumpers, though, and a standing is a much cleaner look for the hunter ring if that's what you ride. So take my advice as coming from a purely jumpers rider (we don't have hunters here in Aus, not in the sense the USA does at least) and apply it only if it's applicable to your discipline.
Standing Martingale... it's a hunter thing. I can not fathom why.... but a good 3/4 of hunters wear them O/F. I can't ever remember seeing a running martingale, to the point I assumed they're illegal in the Hunter ring.
     
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    01-19-2012, 07:27 AM
  #12
Trained
Yep MudPaint it's because it's a cleaner look than a running martingale. I don't ride hunters (don't have anything equivalent here) but that's my reasoning. Hunters is partly about presentation so they want the horse to be tidy. A running martingale isn't a tidy look whereas a standing is. And if it's winning, EVERYONE does it in the hopes that it'll increase their chances. I see a LOT of that jumping and eventing, you'll see a huge number of local to intermediate level riders using the same equipment as the pros. The reason being that if it's good enough for the top dogs in the discipline, then it must be helpful, and therefore will help their placings.

And yes, it DOES sometimes (often!) compromise safety.
     
    01-19-2012, 08:51 AM
  #13
Trained
Standing martingales [besides now being a 'look'] are used in the hunter ring because they are used on foxhunts for horses who throw their heads. The reason you don't see running martingales in the hunter ring is because they are seen as dangerous for foxhunting and not allowed during a hunt. Show hunters was really made to be a way to judge foxhunting horses. Although I think we've moved away from that a bit, I would never want to hunt a 17.3hh fat horse personally. They still look for a big open stride, clean jump, and minimal tack and saddle pad.
     
    01-19-2012, 09:13 AM
  #14
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
standing martingales [besides now being a 'look'] are used in the hunter ring because they are used on foxhunts for horses who throw their heads. the reason you don't see running martingales in the hunter ring is because they are seen as dangerous for foxhunting and not allowed during a hunt. show hunters was really made to be a way to judge foxhunting horses. Although I think we've moved away from that a bit, I would never want to hunt a 17.3hh fat horse personally. They still look for a big open stride, clean jump, and minimal tack and saddle pad.

Say what? No runnings in the hunt field? In the three hunts I was a member of (and colored in), runnings were as common as standings. In fact, runnings are safer in the field. Ever seen a horse fall in water with a standing on? Ever seen one have trouble getting their head up to breathe? I have. That is why standings are ILLEGAL in eventing. It is too easy for a horse to drown with a standing martingale on. The people who do use standings in the field should have then on a snap and disconnect it when crossing water.

Ring hunters have very little left of the field hunters in this country.
     
    01-19-2012, 09:20 AM
  #15
Trained
Maybe at less traditional fox hunts you can have a running, but traditionally, you are not supposed to, only standing.

I agree with you on the dangers of standings.
     
    01-24-2012, 01:00 PM
  #16
Super Moderator
Sorry for the huge photo

This huntsman works for a VERY traditional hunt




As do these



Are they as common as standings? No. But to say that they are frowned on is simply not true, here in the States.
     
    01-24-2012, 01:34 PM
  #17
Banned
I think y'all are confusing field hunters with show hunters.

Running martingales are illegal in the show hunter ring, regardless of how common they are in the hunt field, the jumper ring or that they're prefered by eventers.

Both types of martingale are common and accepted in field hunters, though the standing *might* be considered more traditional.

It helps if you recognize that logic doesn't have a lot to do with this.

I personally don't feel that there's anything unsafe about a standing martingale, particularly when jumping stadium type fences in cups. The eventer's argument is that it a horse becomes entangled in a solid fence, that the standing martingale somehow inhibits whatever heroic balancing gestures the horse would make to extricate itself. However, fox hunters jump formidable obstacles in unpredictable footing and uneven terrain, so you would think they would have the same bias, but they don't. Standings are common in the hunt field. Also, eventers also are not allowed to use standings in the stadium phase, which doesn't make sense, as the fences are in standards and cups, but there you go.

FWIW, standing martingales are somewhat of a fashion accessory in hunter ring, because someone somewhere once decided it "dressed up" the horse. A horse that *needs* a standing martingale (It's only purpose is to prevent the horse from raising it's head above the effective range of the bit) probably isn't going to do well in a hunter class anyway.

They're overused, and too many horses learn to use them as a crutch and brace down on them in the turns.
     
    01-25-2012, 03:29 PM
  #18
Yearling
Work on collection on the flat, and you won't need a standing martingale. This is also necessary for jumping. Try to keep contact over the fence, and don't let your reins fly free like that. Otherwise, pretty good job. You don't need to push your heel down any farther.
     

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