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    10-11-2012, 11:31 AM
  #1
Yearling
Jumping problems, please help? :)

Sorry if you find any of this silly, I've never been taught to jump, or had a trainer so this is pretty much my only way to get crit and advice. :)

- When I'm jumping I tend to hold my reins tight to balance myself, which results in my horse refusing or jumping weirdly.
Any advice on how I can improve my balance? I've been trying to jump with no hands, which helps him jump but I get thrown off balance when he lands.
With hands:
hands.jpg
Without hands:
no hands.jpg

- Sometimes when we jump, both of his legs move at the same time over the jump, and then other times one legs behind the jump when the other one is already over... Should he be doing this? If not, how can I correct it?
Like so:
diff.jpg

- Lately, out of the blew, he has jumped way too early, is there a reason horses do this?
(My hands were up but I wasnt ready because he jumped early so I was thrown off balance, hence why I'm not holding his reins)
early.jpg

And yes, I need to shorten my stirrups. :P
     
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    10-11-2012, 11:42 AM
  #2
Weanling
Im not one to critique, id hate to say something wrong. But I would advise you to get a trainer!
     
    10-11-2012, 11:47 AM
  #3
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Hailey1203    
Im not one to critique, id hate to say something wrong. But I would advise you to get a trainer!
I don't know of any near me... :/ I had lessons a few years ago and honestly all I did was walk circles around a round yard on a 11hh pony for half an hour.. :)
     
    10-11-2012, 11:49 AM
  #4
Foal
I second the trainer but understand sometimes that isn't an option.

A few suggestions. Loosen up your reins initially. You need to try using your seat more. Grab mane.

Try some gymnastics. Your horse is barely making it over those jumps. Either A. He is totally unimpressed. B. Totally lazy or C. Can't physically jump them.

Shorten your stirrups. Do lots of trotting and cantering in two point. You need to strengthen up your core muscles so that you can hold yourself up. One trick that my trainer has me do a lot is I have to stand with no stirrups. Try it :) It's harder than it sounds if you are doing it correctly. But it really tightens up those core muscles.

Also try working him over some ground poles. Get him really paying attention to his feet, and listening to you.
     
    10-11-2012, 11:59 AM
  #5
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by krisfulc    
I second the trainer but understand sometimes that isn't an option.

A few suggestions. Loosen up your reins initially. You need to try using your seat more. Grab mane.

Try some gymnastics. Your horse is barely making it over those jumps. Either A. He is totally unimpressed. B. Totally lazy or C. Can't physically jump them.

Shorten your stirrups. Do lots of trotting and cantering in two point. You need to strengthen up your core muscles so that you can hold yourself up. One trick that my trainer has me do a lot is I have to stand with no stirrups. Try it :) It's harder than it sounds if you are doing it correctly. But it really tightens up those core muscles.

Also try working him over some ground poles. Get him really paying attention to his feet, and listening to you.
Thankyou for the advice! I'm guessing that he's either lazy or its me, since he happily jumps 40cm on the lungeline. Would it help if I cantered him to the jumps instead of trot? Would bareback help with my muscles?
Sorry for all the questions.
     
    10-11-2012, 12:19 PM
  #6
Foal
Bareback would be awesome for building more muscle.

It is physically easier for HIM to canter over jumps. BUT You need to make sure you have a good strong core before you do that. If you are having a hard time trotting the jumps, you need to master that first.

And actually his "early" jump really isn't THAT early.
     
    10-11-2012, 12:54 PM
  #7
Yearling
You are actually doing very well for not having a trainer :)
I like your position, really. It's not perfect, but it's definitely not dangerous, and not anything like I've seen in some self-taught jumpers. Here are just a few things I would address immediatly, if I were teaching someone with your position -

Your heels. They need to go way, way down. Yes, shortening your stirrups will help, but there is also the muscle aspect - sink those heels!! I would actually take your stirrups up 2 holes, not one. Then just picture putting all of your weight way way down into those heels. That will help a lot.

I would also reach your hands a little further up the neck. I can tell you are kind of relying on his neck, though, and that will hinder you from giving that really nice release that would make this picture even better. I would spend lots and lots of time in 2 point, with no hands! Make sure you are bending at the hip, just like you are in the pictures, with your heels way down, and don't come out of two point till you want to cry it hurts so bad. This is where it is really helpful to have a trainer - they will push you farther than you want to push yourself. But you need to do it - set goals for yourself! Make yourself do two point for an hour straight, no exeptions. It will dramatically improve your position in no time!!

After you have the good core that 2point will give you, really think about touching your pony's ears. It may be exagerated at first, but that's fine. I'd rather have an overexageration of a release than not enough, especially if you won't be competing. You can fix a 'too big' release later - but a 'too little' release and your pony won't jump for you. I don't think this is a problem at all here, especially since I can tell you value his mouth, but I'm just putting it out there :)

Overall you look wonderful!! I think after your shorten your stirrups 2 holes, a LOT of these problems will just fix themselves. Just practice practice practice, and you'll be great
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    10-19-2012, 05:23 PM
  #8
Weanling
Lots of gymnastics work, no stirrups, no reins! I see in your pictures you have no reins, straighten your arms right out to help you balance. Some more things to help strengthen your core would be do some flat work, lengthen your stirrups a bit, tuck your tailbone under neath, push your pelvis forward and belly button to spine! This works awesome for core strengthening. You can do this riding, or even just sitting in a chair.
Some flat work in the two point also, trot for 2 steps then two point for two steps, keep doing that in both directions, walk, trot, canter.

As for leaving early to the jumps, sit down and count your strides to the jump and wait for your horse to jump to you, this will help your rhythm to get that perfect stride. My old coach used to make us yell "ONE, TWO, THREE, ONE, TWO, THREE" through our whole courses, it helps keep your rhythm & speed consistant.
     
    10-21-2012, 01:48 AM
  #9
Yearling
I'm going to venture to say that, sadly, I don't believe that this horse has much talent for jumping. While I can appreciate your desire to do so, I myself wouldn't jump that horse. Also, if he's already refusing fences of this size, that he could clearly walk over, is a red flag to me.
     
    10-21-2012, 02:29 AM
  #10
Weanling
If you are using your hands for balance then it means you need to work on strengthening your core muscles - so I would get a stirrup leather - throw it round the horses neck and do loads of two point - Using the stirrup leather if needed for balance...

From the pics - you need more weight through you heels which will help when you do the two point...

You actually possies not too bad you just need more weight and strength through your legs - I suspect whn you are stronger your hose wont refuse either
     

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